Who is “our”? Christians? Brits? Whites? Are the Muslims Brits as well? If so, are they not entitled to come under the banner “our”? Is this about as blatantly rascist as a front page could be? How long before the Express gets them charged? Questions, questions.
Muslims are perfectly entitled to tell us how to run ‘our’ schools. Just as the rest of ‘us’ can tell them how to run ‘their’ mosques. How much notice either group takes of each other is entirely a matter for ‘them!’
Nasty headline, total untrue what exactly are they trying to achieve here? stir up more racial tensions ,have white parents attack muslims? very irresponsible..appealing to the knuckle draggers out there
9.50 holidays if your re a white family with 2 kids…Still cant get over the Isle of Wight bit like most of their readership would nt know it was in the UK…
Daily Express schools need all the input they can get. Every lesson consists of cancer(causes and cures), house prices, colonial and royal history (particularly Diana) and a spot of hardcore porn. Maybe Muslims could improve standards a little.
go for it Lisa…that’s blatant subversion of the facts to fit a racist agenda…how about this…
BLACKS TELL US HOW TO RUN OUR SCHOOLS
I feel sick
PS a little point, a hell of a lot of British muslims have washed their hands of the Muslim Council of Britain, and don’t like it’s agenda for one reason or another. So even if this were true, it certainly wouldn’t be true of all muslims.
But then we all know that don’t we because we’re reasonable people, not frothy mouthed raving BNP flag-wavers…
# Lisa Says:
February 21st, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Does this constitute stirring up racial hatred? Are we entitled to make a complaint to the PCC?
Don’t get your hopes up…guess who’s on the board of the PCC? Peter “Mentally” Hill. Yes, the same PCC that dismissed the complaints of Express journalists saying they were being made to write shite about gypsies out of hand.
The PCC are asking for an article to go with the complaint I sent about this headline. I haven’t done this before, and was wondering if I need to send the whole article, or just a snap of the front page?
You can send a link to the onliine article, or better yet, print that off and send it (that’ll cover you if the article is changed). It does differ a bit from the paper version, but not by much, and the main difference is the headline so sending a printed copy and a snap of the front page should be enough.
It’s not likely that the PCC will uphold a discrimination complaint unless you personally have been targeted by the article, but there’s enough rubbish in there to complain with an ‘inaccuracy’ claim.
Not quite sure how it’s an “exclusive”, what with it being based on a document which is freely available to download on the MCB website, along with an accompanying press release. Plus, the “story” has been run by a few newspapers; the Express is just the only one which attaches enough importance to it to stick it on the front page. Maybe we could put their over-enthusiastic use of the word “exclusive” in any complaints to the PCC too.
Sorry Lisa and Sam but I emailed the PCC a while back after the Express had claimed that workers were “sacked for being British so the Poles could have their jobs.” I pointed out that the guidelines had been breached on two fronts, a) it mentioned the ethnic background in a way which could be perceved as threatening b) it was factually incorrect to say the workers were sacked as one can only be sacked for improper conduct c) it implied that the authorities were racist. The PCC wrote back twice to say they could not uphold my complaint because I was a third party. They never respond to complaints unless you are actually involved in the story. How useless is that? It really is just a fig leaf to hide media racism behind.
Ah Ha, I was warned of that by someone on this blog (it may have been you Matthew) and I still went ahead and had exactly the same result.
Third parties can’t complain. I must mention that to my insurance company.
Anyway – as far as I know, the PCC only disallow complaints from people not directly affected in discrimination cases. I got a much fuller reply (which was full of crap – but there you go) when I made a complaint on the grounds of inaccuracy. Still – the PCC do go on about how people are not concerned about discrimination because not many complain on those grounds, so it would be worth the complaint if you did think it was discriminatory, if only to make that claim look rubbish.
cjthunder: There is plenty in the report that its possible to take issue with without lying about it. I agree that the three dimensional imagery thing is ridiculous, but it’s not the same as a drawing, and kids do far more drawing in art classes than 3D stuff. (Plus the report doesn’t say that Muslim children shouldn’t be allowed to make these either, just that teachers should avoid encouraging them to, which is different).
That’s one of the most vile things I’ve ever read. I felt sick when I saw it in the shop yesterday. An old couple read it out loud and started tutting and withering on about how it wasn’t like that when they were young, bloody immigrants, et cetera.
I’ve emailed the Express to tell them what disgusting excuses for human beings they are.
THEY’RE (underlined, possibly printed in red) the ones generating the wedge between white English and Muslim English people (of course there are white Muslims, but that’s the only way I can describe what the Express probably sees as ‘us’). They stir up the hate and fear and people who read this shit and believe it come to resent Muslims.
I never hate people, but I really hate the journalists and editor responsible for this.
hello…just to clarify, the 3D thing relates to believing that humans are sacred like god..muslims don’t believe in creating images of people or god because they believe it is a form of idolatry…that’s why so much islamic art is based on mosaics, and symetric imagery and is actually very very beautiful…
..after all the commonly seen version of god looks like father christmas and jesus seems very pale for a middle eastern dude…
just a different way of doing things, that’s one of the main differences between sunni and shia muslims…shia’s believe in imams and martyrs and parade their pictures, but sunnis reject this as a form of idolatry..
…hell, i found it far easier just drawing a house when i was at school anyway…
I studied Islam as a module for one of my A-Levels and I remember watching a video of a dramatisation of the life of Muhammad which, for the reasons famaf has cited, couldn’t actually feature an actor playing Muhammad. Quite an achievement for the filmmakers!
This one actually makes me feel sick, how can they publish this???
Hmmm… do they now
Swift conclusion: No they don’t.
‘They’ tell ‘us’ how to run ‘our’ schools, eh?
It is only timidity that stops them calling for deportations and camps.
Who is “our”? Christians? Brits? Whites? Are the Muslims Brits as well? If so, are they not entitled to come under the banner “our”? Is this about as blatantly rascist as a front page could be? How long before the Express gets them charged? Questions, questions.
“Our” schools, Express? And who are “we” then?
^^^ oops correction: How long before the Express get charged?
Muslims are perfectly entitled to tell us how to run ‘our’ schools. Just as the rest of ‘us’ can tell them how to run ‘their’ mosques. How much notice either group takes of each other is entirely a matter for ‘them!’
Are there any £9.50 holidays to Mecca?
Parents taking an interest in how their kids are educated? Shocking!
EXPRESS TELLS US HOW TO RUN OUR LIVES.
Nasty headline, total untrue what exactly are they trying to achieve here? stir up more racial tensions ,have white parents attack muslims? very irresponsible..appealing to the knuckle draggers out there
9.50 holidays if your re a white family with 2 kids…Still cant get over the Isle of Wight bit like most of their readership would nt know it was in the UK…
Well, here’s the full story on the Express site:
http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1264
And the same story from the Guardian, just for a different viewpoint:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2017439,00.html
Only the Express seem to have deemed the release of this report to be front page news today, by the way.
Crikey, time to build that fallout shelter!
Daily Express schools need all the input they can get. Every lesson consists of cancer(causes and cures), house prices, colonial and royal history (particularly Diana) and a spot of hardcore porn. Maybe Muslims could improve standards a little.
Rascist Rubbish.
So, to translate into the language of reality:
“Muslims” = The Muslim Council of Britain (of which I’m pretty sure not all Muslims are members).
“Us” = The British (but only the ones who are white middle-class Christians. Everyone else can fuck off back to Russia).
“Tell us how to run” = Publish guidelines with suggestions on how Muslim students can be better accomodated at school.
“Our schools” = State schools paid for by every taxpayer in Britain, including Muslims.
Does this constitute stirring up racial hatred? Are we entitled to make a complaint to the PCC?
Got you Lisa.
So:
“The MCB has published some guidelines on how to accommodate Muslim students at school”
Not so catchy eh? Quite reasonable sounding even.
go for it Lisa…that’s blatant subversion of the facts to fit a racist agenda…how about this…
BLACKS TELL US HOW TO RUN OUR SCHOOLS
I feel sick
PS a little point, a hell of a lot of British muslims have washed their hands of the Muslim Council of Britain, and don’t like it’s agenda for one reason or another. So even if this were true, it certainly wouldn’t be true of all muslims.
But then we all know that don’t we because we’re reasonable people, not frothy mouthed raving BNP flag-wavers…
Fucking racist rubbish. Subsitute ANY ethnic group for “Muslim” and it wouldn’t have got printed. Utter, utter shite.
Almost every claim in this article is a lie. A couple of gems:
When swimming is allowed, boys should wear clothing covering their bodies “from the navel to the neck”, even during single-sex pool sessions
The report actually says, ‘In public boys should always be covered between the navel and knee’.
And:
In art classes, Muslim children should not be allowed to draw people, as this is forbidden under some interpretations of Islamic law.
The report actually says ‘In Islam the creation of three dimensional figurative imagery of humans is generally regarded as unacceptable [...]‘
a drawing is not a three dimensional figurative image.
Great eh?
arent there laws covering this, inciting religious hatred? or is it the same way nick griffin escaped being someone’s bitch…
i don’t know what good it will do muslims to tell the daily express how to run schools, or is this poor grammar again?
# Lisa Says:
February 21st, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Does this constitute stirring up racial hatred? Are we entitled to make a complaint to the PCC?
Don’t get your hopes up…guess who’s on the board of the PCC? Peter “Mentally” Hill. Yes, the same PCC that dismissed the complaints of Express journalists saying they were being made to write shite about gypsies out of hand.
Yay corruption!
The PCC are asking for an article to go with the complaint I sent about this headline. I haven’t done this before, and was wondering if I need to send the whole article, or just a snap of the front page?
Giddy just about hits the nail smack on the head.
Nice one.
Sam:
You can send a link to the onliine article, or better yet, print that off and send it (that’ll cover you if the article is changed). It does differ a bit from the paper version, but not by much, and the main difference is the headline so sending a printed copy and a snap of the front page should be enough.
It’s not likely that the PCC will uphold a discrimination complaint unless you personally have been targeted by the article, but there’s enough rubbish in there to complain with an ‘inaccuracy’ claim.
God, I sound like Mary f*cking Whitehouse.
I notice this is an ‘Exclusive’. Of course it is – only the Express could come up with such crap.
Maybe the Mail as well, having thought about it.
Not quite sure how it’s an “exclusive”, what with it being based on a document which is freely available to download on the MCB website, along with an accompanying press release. Plus, the “story” has been run by a few newspapers; the Express is just the only one which attaches enough importance to it to stick it on the front page. Maybe we could put their over-enthusiastic use of the word “exclusive” in any complaints to the PCC too.
Sam, http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1264
Sorry Lisa and Sam but I emailed the PCC a while back after the Express had claimed that workers were “sacked for being British so the Poles could have their jobs.” I pointed out that the guidelines had been breached on two fronts, a) it mentioned the ethnic background in a way which could be perceved as threatening b) it was factually incorrect to say the workers were sacked as one can only be sacked for improper conduct c) it implied that the authorities were racist. The PCC wrote back twice to say they could not uphold my complaint because I was a third party. They never respond to complaints unless you are actually involved in the story. How useless is that? It really is just a fig leaf to hide media racism behind.
Ah Ha, I was warned of that by someone on this blog (it may have been you Matthew) and I still went ahead and had exactly the same result.
Third parties can’t complain. I must mention that to my insurance company.
What a crop of rubbish. A press complaints commission that you can’t complain to?
Cheers for the link, I might as well submit that now that I’ve sent the bloody complaint.
That article constitutes racism even in the most basic sense of the word; surely someone who works for that rag has a consience, and will complain…
Uhm, The PCC run by the press, yep that works.
So how can you be “involved” in this story? Does that mean you have to be a Muslim? Or a member of the MCB specifically? Or a teacher?
%cc: “The report actually says ‘In Islam the creation of three dimensional figurative imagery of humans is generally regarded as unacceptable […]’”
Really? I would throw that out for being plain ridiculous anyway. How petty is God if that’s what he’s taking his time to be upset about?
Sorry, %CC is me. Mistyped me name.
Anyway – as far as I know, the PCC only disallow complaints from people not directly affected in discrimination cases. I got a much fuller reply (which was full of crap – but there you go) when I made a complaint on the grounds of inaccuracy. Still – the PCC do go on about how people are not concerned about discrimination because not many complain on those grounds, so it would be worth the complaint if you did think it was discriminatory, if only to make that claim look rubbish.
cjthunder: There is plenty in the report that its possible to take issue with without lying about it. I agree that the three dimensional imagery thing is ridiculous, but it’s not the same as a drawing, and kids do far more drawing in art classes than 3D stuff. (Plus the report doesn’t say that Muslim children shouldn’t be allowed to make these either, just that teachers should avoid encouraging them to, which is different).
That’s one of the most vile things I’ve ever read. I felt sick when I saw it in the shop yesterday. An old couple read it out loud and started tutting and withering on about how it wasn’t like that when they were young, bloody immigrants, et cetera.
I’ve emailed the Express to tell them what disgusting excuses for human beings they are.
THEY’RE (underlined, possibly printed in red) the ones generating the wedge between white English and Muslim English people (of course there are white Muslims, but that’s the only way I can describe what the Express probably sees as ‘us’). They stir up the hate and fear and people who read this shit and believe it come to resent Muslims.
I never hate people, but I really hate the journalists and editor responsible for this.
hello…just to clarify, the 3D thing relates to believing that humans are sacred like god..muslims don’t believe in creating images of people or god because they believe it is a form of idolatry…that’s why so much islamic art is based on mosaics, and symetric imagery and is actually very very beautiful…
..after all the commonly seen version of god looks like father christmas and jesus seems very pale for a middle eastern dude…
just a different way of doing things, that’s one of the main differences between sunni and shia muslims…shia’s believe in imams and martyrs and parade their pictures, but sunnis reject this as a form of idolatry..
…hell, i found it far easier just drawing a house when i was at school anyway…
I studied Islam as a module for one of my A-Levels and I remember watching a video of a dramatisation of the life of Muhammad which, for the reasons famaf has cited, couldn’t actually feature an actor playing Muhammad. Quite an achievement for the filmmakers!
This is the same shite from the same sewer those BNP cruds used.
They get away with it because ‘Muslim’ isn’t an ethnic froup.
Low-life, hate-stirring, scumbag bastards the lot of them.
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