More online tinkering by the Dacre thought-police:
If Mrs T had been a stay at home mum this great country of ours wouldn’t have been put through 11 years of misery and her two children might – just might – have been taught some basic manners!
Click to rate Rating 1- bob roberts, worcester, uk, 6/2/2009 7:17
My original posting, in response to Jan Moir’s article “What if Mrs T Had Been a Stay at Home Mum ?”, read “…might – just might – have been taught some morals and basic manners!”
Strange how the Mail has a monopoly over what constitutes as moral, eh ?
“Hello Miss Petrie, I’m calling from The Mail, we’d like to use a picture of you on our front page today…ah-ha, yeah…yeah preferably one in which you look as much like you’re dressed as Maria from ‘The Sound of Music’ as possible, that’d be great, thanks.”
As a nurse myself, I am slightly disturbed by Miss Petrie’s thinking. The woman asked patients if she wanted her to pray from them as she believed it was the best way of making the sick better. . . Urm, no love, that would be good medical and nursing care. You know, backed by scientific evidence?
While it probably was a bit excessive to sack her, she should certainly be told in no uncertain terms that it is the spiritual needs of the patients she cares for that are her priority, not her own. And exactly what causes her to suggest that they need to be prayed for? Their illness? Or will she be offering her prayers to Atheist, Jewish, Muslim patients not to mention gay and lesbian ones, helping them to find “God”?
Of course, The Daily End-trail takes this whole incident as meaning no discussion of religion can take place whatsoever. I have no qualms with discussing religion with my patients – their’s not mine – and if there is ever a need for additional spiritual care, I refer the hospital chaplain to them.
“Prayer nurse” wasn’t even sacked, she’s a bank nurse and as such was simply not placed on any rota for bank work until the investigation reached a conclusion one way or the other. Still nothing beats a story about Christian martyrdom.
My mum’s a nurse and she thought it was bit silly of the woman to offer to pray for someone. At the same time, she didn’ t think the woman shouldn’t have been suspended because nobody complained. I agree. Even if somebody can complained however I still wouldn’t have took action against. Her prayers won’t do anything anyway.
“Can I pray for you?”
“Knock yourself out,”
More Nowtrage today as the Mail says Jeremy Clarkson made fun of Gordon (lol) and then says ZOMG some kids are still off school because of the snow!
The Mail is full of plebbledash (plebbul-dash) n. To bulk up a television news report with needless vox-pop soundbites from ill-informed members of the public.
I seem to remember some studies suggesting that prayer, or at least the patient being told that they’re being prayed for, can have a positive effect. Presumably because those that beleive in such things will feel valued, and with at least some conditions the attitude of the patient’s an important factor.
And anyhow, so long as she’s not one of those ‘I’m praying for you so you don’t need to take those nasty secular drugs’ types it’s harmless.
Most recent studies have shown the opposite effect Nick, with heart bypass patients in the US being the most recent test group. It made no difference whatsoever. Those prayed for were as likely to be readmitted, have a setback or even die as those not prayed for. There could be something said for the power of positive thought, and if for some people a prayer can lead to positive thoughts. However, “prayer nurse” thinks her god is healing people which quite clearly he/she isn’t.
I’ve tried to post on the mail site and I’m sick of not getting published by their moderator. They must have a quota system to let a few opposition views in so the hate-mongers believe that they are in the moral majority. Sorry, off-topic.
Anyway, if the nurse was any other religion, the mail would have been up in arms.
Hallelujay? I’m praying for some rich guy to buy the Wail and turn it pro-metric, pro-GM crops, pro-MMR jabs and anti-foxhunting…. Oh, for the power of prayer.
Hello Bob Roberts, I like your comments on the Mail site, usually only a few of the sensible ones and easily spotted as you are usually red carded. Why not join our forum.
Original Paul – thanks…I do tend to pop in here once in a while…good to see others debating the Mail’s bizzare trough of daily swill.
Aljardi – you can usually find me at the county cricket ground…when it’s not flooded of course!
Paul M – the online Dacre thought-police do seem to operate some kind of quota system. My comments usually get through, for their ridicule value I suppose – also to provide gainful employment for the office staff at Tory Central who enjoy bashing the Mail’s red arrow ! I’ve noticed today that, unusually, a number of my comments have been moderated…I called Carol Thatcher a “talentless bigot” in one post, only for it to be changed to “the talentless one” and a couple of others have also been tweaked. Very sinister, I say!
Would you honestly expect the Mail to show the same level of sympathy if it was an Iranian muslim nurse who wanted to pray around patients? On second thoughts, there’s no point in answering that question as the answer’s blindingly obvious!
Also to Bob-congratulations for getting your anti-mail comment printed AND getting a thumbs up! It’s not every day that happens!
Well don’t save then! Use some of your savings to pay off your debts and mortgage, which, thanks to the rate cuts, is now cheaper to do than ever!!!!!111 ONE.
i don’t think there’s any harm in her praying for patients, just as long as she doesn’t do it in place of giving them medical treatment (but if she was doing that then they wouldn’t have put her back on the rota). still, if i was in hospital and i found out a nurse was praying for me, i’d be shit-scared that it meant i had something incurable!
The issue with the nurse is that she’s pushing her beliefs on people in a vulnerable condition, which to me is an abuse of her duty of care.
Again, like every Mail/Express story, flip/reverse it. imagine if this was a Muslim nurse who offered to pray to Allah they’d be demanding she was sacked. It’s nothing to do with the issues and everything to do with preferential treatment for their demographic – white, middle-class, English Christians – regardless of right or wrong.
I’m white, English and raised Christian (although now an Atheist) raised working-class, but now have a degree and earn a decent amount so am probably considered middle-class, and I don’t want any special treatment.
So do you think that the Mail will be up in arms about the latest insult given by a BBC presenter? And their extremely mealy mouthed apology.
Of course they might have a bit of trouble claiming that to call the Beloved Leader a ‘one eyed Scottish idiot’ is a dire insult given that most of their readers include it as a matter of routine.
Yeah, they’ll have issues with that! On one side he’s a BBC presenter and a columnist for a rival, so any excuse to attack, but on the other hand he’s anti-PC, anti-environment, anti-health and safety and pro-motorist so their readers love him, and his comment was anti-Brown too!
They’r e a hypocrite whatever way they call it too due to their differing stances on Brand and Thatcher, but my instinct is they’ll back him, if only because like I posted earlier, he’s closest in demographic to them, and it’s never what they say but who says it that matters to them.
If it was for example Cherie Blair, not Carol Thatcher who used the Golliwog comment in a green room, they’d have called for her head, or if it was a say Diane Abbot making an anti-white joke, she’d be for the chop too.
off topic but here’s my 2p on the whole religion debate. I reckon that there is a god, but he’s a scientist right? And we (the world/universe etc) are his experiment. He just pushed the button which started the big bang (keeps everyone happy) and now’s he’s just sitting back making notes and letting everything play out. Maybe we’re the control experiment and there are other experiments on the go. Either way, he isn’t listening to any prayers. Discuss.
That’s Deism, a heresy I sometimes flirt with, though it doesn’t seem to be any use. Given a God that just set the universe running and is watching, but with no power/willingness to intervene, and who doesn’t listen to prayer, then is there any point in beleiving in him? If we didn’t, and assumed that the universe was just like that because it was, roll the bones, would we be any the worse off?
As for religion. I’m an atheist. I don’t believe there’s some wee man in the sky who clapped his hands and made the universe. Something happened and we all ended up on this planet. Religion just doesn’t make sense. How come the Jews, Muslims and Christians all worship the same God and then around the second chapter in the bible somebody goes, “Hang on a minute!” and they all split off into different factions. Do the Israelis and Palestinians know that God promised the Holy Land to both of them and is nothing more than a two timing git? And where the hell did the Hindus come from and the Buddhists? And I’m sorry any God that invented the Free Presbyterians clearly has a sick sense of humor.
In saying that, I’ll probs convert to Christianity when I’m older, dying of cancer and terrified of death.
Doesn’t surprise me. I’ve come across these nutter groups contacting papers like the Daily Mail and the likes of the Mail actively seeking them out for these kinds of “Stories” before. It would be quite funny if it wasn’t so disturbing.
Quite a lot of hypocrisy here from you anti-Mailers. On most public sector job application forms nowadays you are asked about your religious beliefs and it is common practice for patients in hospitals to be asked what their religion is, even if they haven’t requested any special arrangements. Why so? To ensure that various quotas are being met in order to keep Muslims happy. In other words, official intrusiveness in the name of equal opportunities policy. But I’ll bet most of you think that this is okay. In order to appease Muslims I expect that there will be much more of this official intrusiveness. This is bringing religion into the public sphere just as much as anything supported by the DM.
daveyp – you were doing so well until you said ‘to keep Muslims happy’.
Every employer I’ve handed an application to has asked about my ethnic and religious background, and none of them have been in the public sector. It’s standard now in almost every job, and has never affected my ability to gain employment since the various places I’ve worked have never been short of white British males. It’s largely about number crunching, much like the Census but easier to track and see patterns; doing it to appease some minor religion? If you read outside the Mail you’d see that that is clearly not the case. I seem to recall a Muslim police officer being taken off duty from her public sector job a few months back because her religion disrupted her work (she couldn’t touch men in any way), so any claims about appeasing Muslims are evidently bollocks. And don’t throw any of the DM’s other garbage stories at me; there’s a huge, huge difference in both intent and origin between appeasing someone and simply trying to be understanding. Actually do throw them at me, because I’ll take great pleasure in shooting them down.
The law does work both ways you know. This Christian woman has been treated just the same as the aforementioned Muslim woman; both were penalised because their religion caused problems within their employment. By all means tell me how all this fits into your view that it’s to ‘keep Muslims happy’.
“Every employer I’ve handed an application to has asked about my ethnic and religious background, and none of them have been in the public sector.”
It’s a surprisingly common myth amongst rightwingers that these sort of things only apply to the public sector. You do, of course, have them in the private sector too. If Carol Thatcher had said called someone a “gollywog” whilst working at ITV she’d have been in trouble there as well.
“doing it to appease some minor religion? If you read outside the Mail you’d see that that is clearly not the case.”
It’s typical of the conspiracism you get amongst a lot of Mail-ish conservatives. What’s this? Religion on the application form? It must be part of an attempt to appease the Mohammedan hordes that they’ve forced into legislation via their lackeys in government! Not the various more rational, reasonable explanations, no.
I often go to the Daily Mail website for a quick look around, to see what’s going on…that sort of thing.
It’s just hit me how much I LOATHE this newspaper. I really do. It’s pompous posturing and chauvanistic treatment of women is abhorrent.
Also, from reading the comments section (not a wise thing to do I know, but I wanted to get a “feel” for the readership) I can only summise that it is generally purchased by morons.
Sarah…as you can read you can easily understand what I meant.
Doctor_Fruitbat, you are clearly very young; it is only in recent years that this fad for asking job applicants about their religion came into fashion. Just by chance that this coincides with the rise of Islam in England?
Zagrebo…hidden away in your Balkan fastness you can be complacent about this rise of Islam within England. Your people drove the Ottomans out. But in England we may yet fall under the yoke of Islam. And in our case it might be for good.
“it is common practice for patients in hospitals to be asked what their religion is, even if they haven’t requested any special arrangements.”
Daveyp. – The reason nurses ask patients their religious beliefs is to ensure we are providing fully holistic nursing care – addressing spiritual needs are just as important as addressing hygiene or nutrition. If, for example, I had a patient who was dying, having assessed their religion I would know if they wanted a chaplain to see them and what needs to be done with the body (for example, Judaism and Islam request that the body be buried within 24 hours – it’s much better to have forward planning and know where I need to call if my patient dies at 3 in the morning!). Catholic chaplains frequently make ward rounds in some hospitals, so knowing which patients may appreciate a visit is useful.
It is not some pro-Islam conspiracy – patients’ have been asked about their religion for decades.
Important clarification…when I said ‘It might be for good’ I emphatically did not mean that the triumph of Islam in our country would be a good thing, but that it might be permanent. It would certainly not be a good thing. Very much the opposite. It would mean the ultimate demise of all enlightened values and the narrowing of the human mind to a terrifying degree.
“it is only in recent years that this fad for asking job applicants about their religion came into fashion. Just by chance that this coincides with the rise of Islam in England?”
Oh look, two things have happened in the same time period so there must be a correlation! Don’t know if you noticed, but a lot of things have happened in recent years, and asking for religion and ethnitcity on employment forms was happening BEFORE 9/11. Don’t tell me I’m ‘clearly’ wrong when you’re making unfounded correlations based on no actual evidence and entirely on what you wish were true, while viewing them as isolated events without taking a single other social context into account. I even invited you to provide examples, and you still failed to.
Doctor_Fruitbat…I said that you were clearly very young. And it is only in the last few years that this trend for asking people about their religious beliefs on application forms has taken hold. If there is no connection with the rise of Islam in Britain, then what? Logical deduction I would suggest.
Now stop throwing your toys out the cot, put your dummy back in and start playing with your rattle again. Goo goo goo, coochy coochy coo, goo goo goo!!!
More online tinkering by the Dacre thought-police:
If Mrs T had been a stay at home mum this great country of ours wouldn’t have been put through 11 years of misery and her two children might – just might – have been taught some basic manners!
Click to rate Rating 1- bob roberts, worcester, uk, 6/2/2009 7:17
My original posting, in response to Jan Moir’s article “What if Mrs T Had Been a Stay at Home Mum ?”, read “…might – just might – have been taught some morals and basic manners!”
Strange how the Mail has a monopoly over what constitutes as moral, eh ?
“Hello Miss Petrie, I’m calling from The Mail, we’d like to use a picture of you on our front page today…ah-ha, yeah…yeah preferably one in which you look as much like you’re dressed as Maria from ‘The Sound of Music’ as possible, that’d be great, thanks.”
Bob Roberts! My good man and fellow Worcester resident!
Good to see you here!
Well, after the whole golliwog affair, giving away The Dambusters seems mildly provocative, to say the least.
I was expecting a free “Black a White Minstrel Show” DVD today!!!
Above should read “Black & White Minstrel Show” oops
As a nurse myself, I am slightly disturbed by Miss Petrie’s thinking. The woman asked patients if she wanted her to pray from them as she believed it was the best way of making the sick better. . . Urm, no love, that would be good medical and nursing care. You know, backed by scientific evidence?
While it probably was a bit excessive to sack her, she should certainly be told in no uncertain terms that it is the spiritual needs of the patients she cares for that are her priority, not her own. And exactly what causes her to suggest that they need to be prayed for? Their illness? Or will she be offering her prayers to Atheist, Jewish, Muslim patients not to mention gay and lesbian ones, helping them to find “God”?
Of course, The Daily End-trail takes this whole incident as meaning no discussion of religion can take place whatsoever. I have no qualms with discussing religion with my patients – their’s not mine – and if there is ever a need for additional spiritual care, I refer the hospital chaplain to them.
The classic Mail hypocrisy. Christian religious expression is to be defended while Islamic relgious expresion is to be feared.
“Prayer nurse” wasn’t even sacked, she’s a bank nurse and as such was simply not placed on any rota for bank work until the investigation reached a conclusion one way or the other. Still nothing beats a story about Christian martyrdom.
Few Borrowers benefit? Not the Borrower on the BBC news last night who said his mortagage had been cut by 600 pounds.
Savers rate at 0%, same as America then.
My mum’s a nurse and she thought it was bit silly of the woman to offer to pray for someone. At the same time, she didn’ t think the woman shouldn’t have been suspended because nobody complained. I agree. Even if somebody can complained however I still wouldn’t have took action against. Her prayers won’t do anything anyway.
“Can I pray for you?”
“Knock yourself out,”
More Nowtrage today as the Mail says Jeremy Clarkson made fun of Gordon (lol) and then says ZOMG some kids are still off school because of the snow!
The Mail is full of plebbledash (plebbul-dash) n. To bulk up a television news report with needless vox-pop soundbites from ill-informed members of the public.
Charlie Brooker again
Clarkson’s insult is basically something you’d read on a Mail messageboard so I’m not surprised they are amused by insults over Brown’s disablity.
I seem to remember some studies suggesting that prayer, or at least the patient being told that they’re being prayed for, can have a positive effect. Presumably because those that beleive in such things will feel valued, and with at least some conditions the attitude of the patient’s an important factor.
And anyhow, so long as she’s not one of those ‘I’m praying for you so you don’t need to take those nasty secular drugs’ types it’s harmless.
Most recent studies have shown the opposite effect Nick, with heart bypass patients in the US being the most recent test group. It made no difference whatsoever. Those prayed for were as likely to be readmitted, have a setback or even die as those not prayed for. There could be something said for the power of positive thought, and if for some people a prayer can lead to positive thoughts. However, “prayer nurse” thinks her god is healing people which quite clearly he/she isn’t.
I’ve tried to post on the mail site and I’m sick of not getting published by their moderator. They must have a quota system to let a few opposition views in so the hate-mongers believe that they are in the moral majority. Sorry, off-topic.
Anyway, if the nurse was any other religion, the mail would have been up in arms.
Hallelujay? I’m praying for some rich guy to buy the Wail and turn it pro-metric, pro-GM crops, pro-MMR jabs and anti-foxhunting…. Oh, for the power of prayer.
Hello Bob Roberts, I like your comments on the Mail site, usually only a few of the sensible ones and easily spotted as you are usually red carded. Why not join our forum.
Ref the free DVD, for God’s sake don’t mention the dog!
Original Paul – thanks…I do tend to pop in here once in a while…good to see others debating the Mail’s bizzare trough of daily swill.
Aljardi – you can usually find me at the county cricket ground…when it’s not flooded of course!
Paul M – the online Dacre thought-police do seem to operate some kind of quota system. My comments usually get through, for their ridicule value I suppose – also to provide gainful employment for the office staff at Tory Central who enjoy bashing the Mail’s red arrow ! I’ve noticed today that, unusually, a number of my comments have been moderated…I called Carol Thatcher a “talentless bigot” in one post, only for it to be changed to “the talentless one” and a couple of others have also been tweaked. Very sinister, I say!
Would you honestly expect the Mail to show the same level of sympathy if it was an Iranian muslim nurse who wanted to pray around patients? On second thoughts, there’s no point in answering that question as the answer’s blindingly obvious!
Also to Bob-congratulations for getting your anti-mail comment printed AND getting a thumbs up! It’s not every day that happens!
Well don’t save then! Use some of your savings to pay off your debts and mortgage, which, thanks to the rate cuts, is now cheaper to do than ever!!!!!111 ONE.
i don’t think there’s any harm in her praying for patients, just as long as she doesn’t do it in place of giving them medical treatment (but if she was doing that then they wouldn’t have put her back on the rota). still, if i was in hospital and i found out a nurse was praying for me, i’d be shit-scared that it meant i had something incurable!
The issue with the nurse is that she’s pushing her beliefs on people in a vulnerable condition, which to me is an abuse of her duty of care.
Again, like every Mail/Express story, flip/reverse it. imagine if this was a Muslim nurse who offered to pray to Allah they’d be demanding she was sacked. It’s nothing to do with the issues and everything to do with preferential treatment for their demographic – white, middle-class, English Christians – regardless of right or wrong.
I’m white, English and raised Christian (although now an Atheist) raised working-class, but now have a degree and earn a decent amount so am probably considered middle-class, and I don’t want any special treatment.
So do you think that the Mail will be up in arms about the latest insult given by a BBC presenter? And their extremely mealy mouthed apology.
Of course they might have a bit of trouble claiming that to call the Beloved Leader a ‘one eyed Scottish idiot’ is a dire insult given that most of their readers include it as a matter of routine.
Yeah, they’ll have issues with that! On one side he’s a BBC presenter and a columnist for a rival, so any excuse to attack, but on the other hand he’s anti-PC, anti-environment, anti-health and safety and pro-motorist so their readers love him, and his comment was anti-Brown too!
They’r e a hypocrite whatever way they call it too due to their differing stances on Brand and Thatcher, but my instinct is they’ll back him, if only because like I posted earlier, he’s closest in demographic to them, and it’s never what they say but who says it that matters to them.
If it was for example Cherie Blair, not Carol Thatcher who used the Golliwog comment in a green room, they’d have called for her head, or if it was a say Diane Abbot making an anti-white joke, she’d be for the chop too.
off topic but here’s my 2p on the whole religion debate. I reckon that there is a god, but he’s a scientist right? And we (the world/universe etc) are his experiment. He just pushed the button which started the big bang (keeps everyone happy) and now’s he’s just sitting back making notes and letting everything play out. Maybe we’re the control experiment and there are other experiments on the go. Either way, he isn’t listening to any prayers. Discuss.
That’s Deism, a heresy I sometimes flirt with, though it doesn’t seem to be any use. Given a God that just set the universe running and is watching, but with no power/willingness to intervene, and who doesn’t listen to prayer, then is there any point in beleiving in him? If we didn’t, and assumed that the universe was just like that because it was, roll the bones, would we be any the worse off?
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/children-outnumbered-by-daily-mail-reading-fucknuts–200808221195/
you guys need to read this
As for religion. I’m an atheist. I don’t believe there’s some wee man in the sky who clapped his hands and made the universe. Something happened and we all ended up on this planet. Religion just doesn’t make sense. How come the Jews, Muslims and Christians all worship the same God and then around the second chapter in the bible somebody goes, “Hang on a minute!” and they all split off into different factions. Do the Israelis and Palestinians know that God promised the Holy Land to both of them and is nothing more than a two timing git? And where the hell did the Hindus come from and the Buddhists? And I’m sorry any God that invented the Free Presbyterians clearly has a sick sense of humor.
In saying that, I’ll probs convert to Christianity when I’m older, dying of cancer and terrified of death.
today’s mail had the headline: “stop whinging!”
maybe that’s the cure to the rise in middle-age depression it reported a few days ago.
Some interesting stuff about this nurse over on the Bad Science forum
http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7638
Apparently she’s been warned about this before, and is also involved with a Christian fundamentalist lobbying group
Doesn’t surprise me. I’ve come across these nutter groups contacting papers like the Daily Mail and the likes of the Mail actively seeking them out for these kinds of “Stories” before. It would be quite funny if it wasn’t so disturbing.
Quite a lot of hypocrisy here from you anti-Mailers. On most public sector job application forms nowadays you are asked about your religious beliefs and it is common practice for patients in hospitals to be asked what their religion is, even if they haven’t requested any special arrangements. Why so? To ensure that various quotas are being met in order to keep Muslims happy. In other words, official intrusiveness in the name of equal opportunities policy. But I’ll bet most of you think that this is okay. In order to appease Muslims I expect that there will be much more of this official intrusiveness. This is bringing religion into the public sphere just as much as anything supported by the DM.
Davy.P I’m sorry I have no idea what exactly that above paragraph is meant to mean.
daveyp – you were doing so well until you said ‘to keep Muslims happy’.
Every employer I’ve handed an application to has asked about my ethnic and religious background, and none of them have been in the public sector. It’s standard now in almost every job, and has never affected my ability to gain employment since the various places I’ve worked have never been short of white British males. It’s largely about number crunching, much like the Census but easier to track and see patterns; doing it to appease some minor religion? If you read outside the Mail you’d see that that is clearly not the case. I seem to recall a Muslim police officer being taken off duty from her public sector job a few months back because her religion disrupted her work (she couldn’t touch men in any way), so any claims about appeasing Muslims are evidently bollocks. And don’t throw any of the DM’s other garbage stories at me; there’s a huge, huge difference in both intent and origin between appeasing someone and simply trying to be understanding. Actually do throw them at me, because I’ll take great pleasure in shooting them down.
The law does work both ways you know. This Christian woman has been treated just the same as the aforementioned Muslim woman; both were penalised because their religion caused problems within their employment. By all means tell me how all this fits into your view that it’s to ‘keep Muslims happy’.
“Every employer I’ve handed an application to has asked about my ethnic and religious background, and none of them have been in the public sector.”
It’s a surprisingly common myth amongst rightwingers that these sort of things only apply to the public sector. You do, of course, have them in the private sector too. If Carol Thatcher had said called someone a “gollywog” whilst working at ITV she’d have been in trouble there as well.
“doing it to appease some minor religion? If you read outside the Mail you’d see that that is clearly not the case.”
It’s typical of the conspiracism you get amongst a lot of Mail-ish conservatives. What’s this? Religion on the application form? It must be part of an attempt to appease the Mohammedan hordes that they’ve forced into legislation via their lackeys in government! Not the various more rational, reasonable explanations, no.
I often go to the Daily Mail website for a quick look around, to see what’s going on…that sort of thing.
It’s just hit me how much I LOATHE this newspaper. I really do. It’s pompous posturing and chauvanistic treatment of women is abhorrent.
Also, from reading the comments section (not a wise thing to do I know, but I wanted to get a “feel” for the readership) I can only summise that it is generally purchased by morons.
Sarah…as you can read you can easily understand what I meant.
Doctor_Fruitbat, you are clearly very young; it is only in recent years that this fad for asking job applicants about their religion came into fashion. Just by chance that this coincides with the rise of Islam in England?
Zagrebo…hidden away in your Balkan fastness you can be complacent about this rise of Islam within England. Your people drove the Ottomans out. But in England we may yet fall under the yoke of Islam. And in our case it might be for good.
“it is common practice for patients in hospitals to be asked what their religion is, even if they haven’t requested any special arrangements.”
Daveyp. – The reason nurses ask patients their religious beliefs is to ensure we are providing fully holistic nursing care – addressing spiritual needs are just as important as addressing hygiene or nutrition. If, for example, I had a patient who was dying, having assessed their religion I would know if they wanted a chaplain to see them and what needs to be done with the body (for example, Judaism and Islam request that the body be buried within 24 hours – it’s much better to have forward planning and know where I need to call if my patient dies at 3 in the morning!). Catholic chaplains frequently make ward rounds in some hospitals, so knowing which patients may appreciate a visit is useful.
It is not some pro-Islam conspiracy – patients’ have been asked about their religion for decades.
Can’t see that happening mate. Surely loud music, boozing, bacon and shagging are far too popular among us nation of binge drinking nutters for that?
Important clarification…when I said ‘It might be for good’ I emphatically did not mean that the triumph of Islam in our country would be a good thing, but that it might be permanent. It would certainly not be a good thing. Very much the opposite. It would mean the ultimate demise of all enlightened values and the narrowing of the human mind to a terrifying degree.
“it is only in recent years that this fad for asking job applicants about their religion came into fashion. Just by chance that this coincides with the rise of Islam in England?”
Oh look, two things have happened in the same time period so there must be a correlation! Don’t know if you noticed, but a lot of things have happened in recent years, and asking for religion and ethnitcity on employment forms was happening BEFORE 9/11. Don’t tell me I’m ‘clearly’ wrong when you’re making unfounded correlations based on no actual evidence and entirely on what you wish were true, while viewing them as isolated events without taking a single other social context into account. I even invited you to provide examples, and you still failed to.
Doctor_Fruitbat…I said that you were clearly very young. And it is only in the last few years that this trend for asking people about their religious beliefs on application forms has taken hold. If there is no connection with the rise of Islam in Britain, then what? Logical deduction I would suggest.
Now stop throwing your toys out the cot, put your dummy back in and start playing with your rattle again. Goo goo goo, coochy coochy coo, goo goo goo!!!
You really are a twat daveyp.