Do they honestly think calling people names adds to the credibility of their argument? ‘Fred the Shred’ FFS.
And as for Amanda Platell – because we treat everybody regardless of what they do to themselves. Perhaps we shouldn’t treat anorexics either? Or people who go skiing and break and a leg? Or who drive cars and have accidents?
Lordy, she’s got me annoyed. *goes off for a cup of tea and a fattening biscuit*
The “Fred the Shred” name was not made up by the Mail, it was coined by the City years ago in admiration for the way RBS used to take over smaller banks then sack most of the staff to increase profit margin.
If the Mail hack who wrote that article was offered that pension you i and they know full well they would grab it with both hands. i’m not saying it’s right that he gets such a ludicrous sum but pilloring the guy for taking it is a bit odd to me.
Amanda Platell should realise that being fat is not always because one is agreedy lazy pig; genetics plays a role for a start. If we are to use that argument than the NHS would end up treating nobody most likely as everybody could improve their health in some respect or another.
“Why should the NHS treat people for being fat”
Because it’s supposed to be universal health care, y’know for everyone. 46% of men and 32% of women are overweight, do you just want then to die quietly at home if they get seriously ill?
Because the NHS aren’t there to make judements about peoples lifestyles. They are there to help people. Presumeably they would prefer more preventative measures to combat obesity then?? Oh wait thats nanny stateism!!! Utter fuckwits!!!!
Because fat people pay taxes too perhaps. What other unhealthy lifestyle choices would Amanda also have exclude people from treatment? I bet people who regularly watch Eastenders are at higher risk of depression. Especially if it’s full of them blacks.
Did anybody see the front page of this morning’s Metro? They had a photo of Fred The Shed’s bin and there was an empty box for a piggy bank. Press rumaging through bins for news?
I work for the NHS. Does Platell really expect me to say to patients that I should not x-ray them because they are fat? I think she needs to come and do my job.
In fact, if we do refuse to see people because they’re fat, it leaves us open to other ethical issues regarding self-inflicted conditions. Smokers and alcoholics are the obvious ones but will mad Mandy P argue that we shouldn’t treat people who were injured whilst playing sports because they’re exposing themselves to unnecessary risks?
You should be sorry Amanda, with the inane drivel you print every week. As some other people have pointed out who exactly would be treated if the NHS refused all self inflicted injuries? And if they did there would be an army of stories of “NOW KINDLY PLUMP GENTLEMAN BANNED FROM HOSPITALS TO MAKE WAY FOR MUSLIM ASYLUM SEEKERS!!!”
OMG, Bank boss fails to uphold standards we didn’t set for the banking system anyway.
Apparently he’s made up his pension on other banks. The government also knew he was getting it. I see no reason to take it off him just so we can all feel better for a day. We’re still in a recession.
But isn’t it odd to see the Right Wing Tory papers arguing about bankers getting huge pensions? If the recession wasn’t happening and Labour wanted to tax those in the city the Mail would shout bloody murder
Perhaps the NHS should only treat the ‘well’ and ‘able’. This way, the burdon on the ‘hard working tax-payer’ will be significantly reduced and THEN everyone (who isn’t dead) could afford to go BUPA!
The Mail publishes stories like this, not because of a sudden change of heart on capitalism, but rather: a) There is a Labour government so, any excuse to insinuate coruption and greed amoungst the ‘Socialists’. b) The middle classes are as bitter and jealous of the rich elite as they are hateful and scornful of the working-classes.
The Mail exists so that the certain sections of the British Middle-Class can reassure itself that their lives are so pointless, shallow and empty because of everyone but themselves!
Yeah as others mentioned above, Fat people pay taxes, smokers pay taxes and Drinkers pay Taxes.
And in response to Sarah, your quite right I’ve never heard any one of the left or with half a brain mention the words “taxing success”. Horrible term and one I feel is very interesting in this bank discussion.
As they have quite clearly not been successful and still seem to have taken large amounts home, I don’t think Godwin deserves that kind of pension because he fucked up.
As for Labour these banks should have been nationalised months ago, it’s a pathetic bowing to the press that has left them in idiotic situations like this and all the good work they did has gone down the drain.
As a member myself we’ve just thrown away any chance of being electable for at least 12 years now.
Although I haven’t read Platell’s article, the media in general do have a tendency to conflate two very different issues when talking about treating those with self-inflicted conditions on the NHS. On the one hand, there’s the moralistic (and logically pretty indefensible) position that fat people, smokers etc. shouldn’t receive free treatment at all; on the other hand, there’s the perfectly reasonable position that if somebody’s personal habits make a particular procedure more difficult or dangerous, they should change those habits before getting the procedure (which seems pretty obvious, not to mention just as applicable in private medicine). Every time doctors try to talk about the second issue, journalists start shouting about the first.
It would be interesting to know and maybe the Daily Mail could find out whether Sir Fred Goodwin had share options in RBS, and if he had; has he cashed them in; and if so when?
Regarding Gordon Prentice’s question of Gordon Brown as to stripping Goodwin of his knighthood, Brown’s response was:
“The authority to grant and cancel honours is contained in the statutes of the various orders of chivalry.”
I’m sure the majority of people including those at RBS, who may lose their jobs because of his incompetence would like to see Goodwin stripped of his ‘Services to Banking” knighthood as I consider Sir Fred has not acted in a chivalrous manner and hence should not be entitled to hold the title.
The Amanda Platell article is surprisingly reasonable. She doesn’t say that people shouldn’t be treated for illnesses that are caused by obesity, just that she doesn’t believe that the NHS should fund stomach stapling, etc.
On that note, anybody else not feeling overly sorry for the Premiership footballers on obscene money getting burgled recently? Give the thieves a bloody medal, I say!
‘On that note, anybody else not feeling overly sorry for the Premiership footballers on obscene money getting burgled recently? Give the thieves a bloody medal, I say!’
That doesnt mean that it is right, no matter how much they command per week, if those thieves stole from u u wud be livid, or most people would be anyway.
I disagree with the huge pension that Goodwin will recieve, but Brown should have preventive this but he is an ineffective uninspiring leader who’s lack of vision has put this country in dire financial straits and whilst not all the blame shud rest on Blair or Brown, they are the ones that presided over this mess
The govt should have intervened years ago but greed is an addiction that it is difficult to curb, which is why Socialism and Communism does not prevail.
The labour party is supposed to support the underdog, instead they’ve got people like Harriet Harman who is a manipulative bitch runnin about the place, John prescott who is incompetant and sleazy, Tony Blair who went to war without listening to the people, Gordon Brown is inefficient and weak, I could go on pathetic bunch of idiots
Of course burglary’s not “Right” and I wasn’t being entirely serious about awarding the burglars a medal, I just won’t loose any sleep over it!
I am reminded of a quote by somebody or other though:
“It’s funny how stealing’s alright when you steal a lot from many (like Mr. Burns and his pension there)- but wrong when you steal a little from a few (like a few grossly overpaid posers who do 90 minutes’ work a week wanting sympathy because they’ve been burgled!)”
I’m no cheerleader for Sir Fred Goodwin (or anyone in the banking industry for that matter), but I fail to see what is being achieved by singling out one individual and trying to turn him into Public Enemy Number One. Unless the Government wants civil unrest that is.
No single individual is to blame for the crisis. The Government, the regulators, the bankers, and us, the general public, all have a hand in it. You can also point the finger at large parts of the media for their failure to investigate what was really going in the financial markets.
Typical DM double-talk, they want it both ways around…..but they only do this when they think they’re getting a good dig in at this Gov.
They’re not turning on the big earners but in this single instance they’ll pretend they’re ‘with the public mood’ about the – now visible – grotesque salaries, bonuses and pensions those guys have awarded each other for years.
Naturally they will present the mere claims about how the Minister concerned was told x,y & z about the pension(s) as fact, as they routinely do regarding anything negative that might be to do with this Gov.
It’s quite clear that the Gov Minister involved was deliberately led to believe the arrangements were complex legal contracts & non-negotiable and so not surprisingly he didn’t press the matter further at that time.
There is another (typical) rear-guard action going on here.
The most outrageously privileged are doing the level best to hang on to all their ill-gotten gains and if Fred goes under they’re terrified they’ll all get examined under the microscope.
At least the cunt has still got to wait another 10 years for his Winter Fuel Allowance and his bus pass.
Do they honestly think calling people names adds to the credibility of their argument? ‘Fred the Shred’ FFS.
And as for Amanda Platell – because we treat everybody regardless of what they do to themselves. Perhaps we shouldn’t treat anorexics either? Or people who go skiing and break and a leg? Or who drive cars and have accidents?
Lordy, she’s got me annoyed. *goes off for a cup of tea and a fattening biscuit*
Sorry, why should the NHS treat people for being fat. . oh by the way, free box of chocolates for every reader.
Bloody Mail types. They really are not happy unless they are discriminating against someone or other.
The “Fred the Shred” name was not made up by the Mail, it was coined by the City years ago in admiration for the way RBS used to take over smaller banks then sack most of the staff to increase profit margin.
If the Mail hack who wrote that article was offered that pension you i and they know full well they would grab it with both hands. i’m not saying it’s right that he gets such a ludicrous sum but pilloring the guy for taking it is a bit odd to me.
Amanda Platell should realise that being fat is not always because one is agreedy lazy pig; genetics plays a role for a start. If we are to use that argument than the NHS would end up treating nobody most likely as everybody could improve their health in some respect or another.
Amanda is a bit on the large side I recall!
“Why should the NHS treat people for being fat”
Because it’s supposed to be universal health care, y’know for everyone. 46% of men and 32% of women are overweight, do you just want then to die quietly at home if they get seriously ill?
Because the NHS aren’t there to make judements about peoples lifestyles. They are there to help people. Presumeably they would prefer more preventative measures to combat obesity then?? Oh wait thats nanny stateism!!! Utter fuckwits!!!!
Because fat people pay taxes too perhaps. What other unhealthy lifestyle choices would Amanda also have exclude people from treatment? I bet people who regularly watch Eastenders are at higher risk of depression. Especially if it’s full of them blacks.
Thanks for that Bubbles; I had no idea it was an old phrase. Still think it pathetic to use it though.
Starting a sentence with the word ’sorry’ is usuallly a good sign that you’re not sorry at all.
And as for the Mail finally twigging that capitalism is not a good or fair economic system, well, meh.
Did anybody see the front page of this morning’s Metro? They had a photo of Fred The Shed’s bin and there was an empty box for a piggy bank. Press rumaging through bins for news?
I work for the NHS. Does Platell really expect me to say to patients that I should not x-ray them because they are fat? I think she needs to come and do my job.
In fact, if we do refuse to see people because they’re fat, it leaves us open to other ethical issues regarding self-inflicted conditions. Smokers and alcoholics are the obvious ones but will mad Mandy P argue that we shouldn’t treat people who were injured whilst playing sports because they’re exposing themselves to unnecessary risks?
You should be sorry Amanda, with the inane drivel you print every week. As some other people have pointed out who exactly would be treated if the NHS refused all self inflicted injuries? And if they did there would be an army of stories of “NOW KINDLY PLUMP GENTLEMAN BANNED FROM HOSPITALS TO MAKE WAY FOR MUSLIM ASYLUM SEEKERS!!!”
Perhaps the NHS should refuse to treat journalists on the basis that they contribute nothing useful to society.
OMG, Bank boss fails to uphold standards we didn’t set for the banking system anyway.
Apparently he’s made up his pension on other banks. The government also knew he was getting it. I see no reason to take it off him just so we can all feel better for a day. We’re still in a recession.
But isn’t it odd to see the Right Wing Tory papers arguing about bankers getting huge pensions? If the recession wasn’t happening and Labour wanted to tax those in the city the Mail would shout bloody murder
Perhaps the NHS should only treat the ‘well’ and ‘able’. This way, the burdon on the ‘hard working tax-payer’ will be significantly reduced and THEN everyone (who isn’t dead) could afford to go BUPA!
The Mail publishes stories like this, not because of a sudden change of heart on capitalism, but rather: a) There is a Labour government so, any excuse to insinuate coruption and greed amoungst the ‘Socialists’. b) The middle classes are as bitter and jealous of the rich elite as they are hateful and scornful of the working-classes.
The Mail exists so that the certain sections of the British Middle-Class can reassure itself that their lives are so pointless, shallow and empty because of everyone but themselves!
Yeah as others mentioned above, Fat people pay taxes, smokers pay taxes and Drinkers pay Taxes.
And in response to Sarah, your quite right I’ve never heard any one of the left or with half a brain mention the words “taxing success”. Horrible term and one I feel is very interesting in this bank discussion.
As they have quite clearly not been successful and still seem to have taken large amounts home, I don’t think Godwin deserves that kind of pension because he fucked up.
As for Labour these banks should have been nationalised months ago, it’s a pathetic bowing to the press that has left them in idiotic situations like this and all the good work they did has gone down the drain.
As a member myself we’ve just thrown away any chance of being electable for at least 12 years now.
I think Silly Sausage has just written the next Tory manifesto
Surely by eating those FREE BOX OF CHOCOLATES, I will become fat and unable to be treated on the NHS?
You’re not getting me with your clever plan, Mail.
Although I haven’t read Platell’s article, the media in general do have a tendency to conflate two very different issues when talking about treating those with self-inflicted conditions on the NHS. On the one hand, there’s the moralistic (and logically pretty indefensible) position that fat people, smokers etc. shouldn’t receive free treatment at all; on the other hand, there’s the perfectly reasonable position that if somebody’s personal habits make a particular procedure more difficult or dangerous, they should change those habits before getting the procedure (which seems pretty obvious, not to mention just as applicable in private medicine). Every time doctors try to talk about the second issue, journalists start shouting about the first.
It would be interesting to know and maybe the Daily Mail could find out whether Sir Fred Goodwin had share options in RBS, and if he had; has he cashed them in; and if so when?
Regarding Gordon Prentice’s question of Gordon Brown as to stripping Goodwin of his knighthood, Brown’s response was:
“The authority to grant and cancel honours is contained in the statutes of the various orders of chivalry.”
I’m sure the majority of people including those at RBS, who may lose their jobs because of his incompetence would like to see Goodwin stripped of his ‘Services to Banking” knighthood as I consider Sir Fred has not acted in a chivalrous manner and hence should not be entitled to hold the title.
The Amanda Platell article is surprisingly reasonable. She doesn’t say that people shouldn’t be treated for illnesses that are caused by obesity, just that she doesn’t believe that the NHS should fund stomach stapling, etc.
Full article is here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1156678/AMANDA-PLATELL-Sorry-NHS-treat-people-fat.html?ITO=1490
Pretty much the only comment piece in the Daily Mail that I’ve ever mostly agreed with.
“But isn’t it odd to see the Right Wing Tory papers arguing about bankers getting huge pensions?”
-True. This bastard’s exactly what they encouarge and all aspire to be. It’s jealousy as much as anything.
On that note, anybody else not feeling overly sorry for the Premiership footballers on obscene money getting burgled recently? Give the thieves a bloody medal, I say!
@ George
‘On that note, anybody else not feeling overly sorry for the Premiership footballers on obscene money getting burgled recently? Give the thieves a bloody medal, I say!’
That doesnt mean that it is right, no matter how much they command per week, if those thieves stole from u u wud be livid, or most people would be anyway.
I disagree with the huge pension that Goodwin will recieve, but Brown should have preventive this but he is an ineffective uninspiring leader who’s lack of vision has put this country in dire financial straits and whilst not all the blame shud rest on Blair or Brown, they are the ones that presided over this mess
The govt should have intervened years ago but greed is an addiction that it is difficult to curb, which is why Socialism and Communism does not prevail.
The labour party is supposed to support the underdog, instead they’ve got people like Harriet Harman who is a manipulative bitch runnin about the place, John prescott who is incompetant and sleazy, Tony Blair who went to war without listening to the people, Gordon Brown is inefficient and weak, I could go on pathetic bunch of idiots
Labour out!
Cocks in the govenment
Cocks in the banking buisness
nothing more to add really
I love the way that they say “Sorry” to start with. They should say that more often: “Sorry, we’re bigoted cunts”.
Of course burglary’s not “Right” and I wasn’t being entirely serious about awarding the burglars a medal, I just won’t loose any sleep over it!
I am reminded of a quote by somebody or other though:
“It’s funny how stealing’s alright when you steal a lot from many (like Mr. Burns and his pension there)- but wrong when you steal a little from a few (like a few grossly overpaid posers who do 90 minutes’ work a week wanting sympathy because they’ve been burgled!)”
I’m no cheerleader for Sir Fred Goodwin (or anyone in the banking industry for that matter), but I fail to see what is being achieved by singling out one individual and trying to turn him into Public Enemy Number One. Unless the Government wants civil unrest that is.
No single individual is to blame for the crisis. The Government, the regulators, the bankers, and us, the general public, all have a hand in it. You can also point the finger at large parts of the media for their failure to investigate what was really going in the financial markets.
Typical DM double-talk, they want it both ways around…..but they only do this when they think they’re getting a good dig in at this Gov.
They’re not turning on the big earners but in this single instance they’ll pretend they’re ‘with the public mood’ about the – now visible – grotesque salaries, bonuses and pensions those guys have awarded each other for years.
Naturally they will present the mere claims about how the Minister concerned was told x,y & z about the pension(s) as fact, as they routinely do regarding anything negative that might be to do with this Gov.
It’s quite clear that the Gov Minister involved was deliberately led to believe the arrangements were complex legal contracts & non-negotiable and so not surprisingly he didn’t press the matter further at that time.
There is another (typical) rear-guard action going on here.
The most outrageously privileged are doing the level best to hang on to all their ill-gotten gains and if Fred goes under they’re terrified they’ll all get examined under the microscope.