I am bewildered by the Mails tactic to try and back this idiot. Has it become known to them that Gary is a second cousin of Carol Thatcher?
It is hilarious though. As in, facts:
He was a senior systems analyst (as in computer expert) and long time hacker. Who hacked what is largely regarded as the holy grail of computer hacks – the pentagon. THE toughest net security on the planet.
Mail version:
Net geek, who borrowed a friends computer, asked someone at PC world how to access the internet, and then managed to hack the pentagon, by following online instructions.
Facts:
The guy accessed weapons areas, shut down military deployment systems, deleted millions of passwords, meaning that areas of the American navy couldn’t operate for 24 hours.
Left anti war messages, stating that he was going to “disrupt” their systems in protest to their Zionistic response to 9/11.
Seriously – people need to check out Wikipedia, and it’s discussion page, in regards to the Daily Mail.
The owner simply censors it. It’s almost like a PR excercise for the paper.
Any sourced “controversies” are deleted, along with a threatening message from said author.
The hilarious thing being, he included a section on Steven Lawrence, including a quote that “The Daily Mail, with this, has now quelled any allegations of racism they had in the past”.
It did have a full controversy section, which he has deleted – even though it is sourced – breaking wikipedia rules.
I actually work in the press myself, so am limited to what I can personally edit/do – conflict of interest
But I advise anyone who feels strongly about some twerp censoring the page, to have a visit, and edit it yourself.
To confirm – wikipedia rules are that anything fact and sourceable can stay up.
There’s endless source material for Mail controversies. I’m hoping someone will take on this little Hitler.
Seriously – his powers over the matter are next to none, as it’s not breaking any rules – posting a sourcec controversy section.
Oh for fucks sake! Talk about kneejerk responses! The DM backs this guy, be he sinister hacker or sad geek as the case may be, and so you all feel the need to attack him. Though none of you take your reasoning to its logical conclusion and say that he should be handed over to the Yanks in order to spend the next few decades in a maximum security prison being fucked senseless by assorted sociopaths. If the DM were taking the opposite line and calling for him to be extradited you’d all be full of compassion for him! And you condemn the DM for being predictable?!
‘@Chris…I see you’re up to you’re usual tricks…condemning the DM for tampering with its Wikepedia entry and yet urging people to do exactly the same thing! The phrase ‘having your cake and eating it’ springs to mind’.
I think the Daily Mail’s interest in this is that Asperger’s Syndrome is in a way a very middle class disorder. To get your child diagnosed and into a special school or college usually takes years of tribunals, etc. and even then only the most demanding / difficult parents will get the placements they want.
Therefore, anybody from a less well off background with the same condition (which is not an excuse for this kind of behaviour but still a pretty big deal) is simply a “Naughty Child”, the kind regularly demonised in Ricky Littlemind and Potty Pete Hitchens’ “What’s The World Coming To?” (TM) columns.
I must admit I’m kind of in two minds about this as this bloke’s condition does go some way towards explaining why (and perhaps even how) he did it but like the autistic kid who gets to jump all the queues at the fairground under threat of kicking off, it should not be used as an excuse either.
As to the Wikipedia matter, I’m a bit busy at the moment but hopefully people will get on it. The Press Complaints Commission (of which the Mail’s editor is apparently the chairman- seriously) entry’s also a bit dodgy as somebody else pointed out a while back.
I’d say they shouldn’t be saying either “Save this Asperger’s “Victim”- he didn’t know what he was doing!” (highly unlikely) or “Hand him over to the yanks” either actually. They should just be reporting the news. Like, you know, a newspaper.
And although I’ve previously pointed out that posters here sometimes seem to go out of their way to disagree with those occasional sensible DM headlines, as it reads today that seems to be all everybody on here’s saying too.
And I think the post about the Wiki entry’s fair enough. He’s not advocating taking it the other way, just restoring balance and keeping it to the facts according to Wikipedia rules.
I’m actually with the Mail on the principle the bloke shouldn’t be sent to the US for trial – he’s clearly just a bit deluded.
Bit bewildering they’ve only just made a fuss though, years after the original events and the original trial. Slow news day?
As for Wikipedia tampering, I think putting legit material back to stop the DM page being conveniently sanitized is absolutely the right thing to do. If they don’t like people pointing out when they fuck up and/or get caught out agenda-pushing rather than actually reporting facts, the simplest thing to do would be for the DM to not fuck up and stop publishing scaremongering bullshit.
And what do you mean “again”, Goughie? Even if this were today’s paper, aren’t you aware that daily papers often print more than one edition during the day?
DaveyP “none of you take your reasoning to its logical conclusion and say that he should be handed over to the Yanks in order to spend the next few decades in a maximum security prison being fucked senseless by assorted sociopaths”. He hacked into the Pentagon and shut down some operations. What the fuck do you think happens when you do that? Don’t you watch 24 or something? I’m amased Jack Bauer hasn’t already broken his fingers. The reaction was to the Mail leading yet another campaign and the knee-jerk reaction was yours. He’s been marketed as if he’s Rain Man. If you can’t see the agenda then please just hold back on your Moorewatch philosphy. No need to tell everyone how you’re Right.
Chris, I know what you mean. Even though I HATE wikipedia vandalising with avengence, I recently couldn’t resist the temptation to go on there and do a bit of fake editing on the Daily Mail and Daily Express pages. For the DE, under the political alliegence tab, I changed ‘right wing’ to ‘far right’ and for the DM, they have that page which they did a couple of years ago where they said the amount of people migrating to and from Britain. (The one in which they lied and counted tourists as immigrants.) Under it, it says ‘Daily Mail front page’. I changed it to ‘Typical Daily Mail front page’. 5 minutes later, I went back on the pages to check my edits and they’d been removed. Therefore, I’ve come to the conclusion that some sad editors and readers of these rags with really boring lives sit in front of their computers all day constantly refreshing the page and as soon as anything negative comes on the page about their ‘papers’, they remove it.
I also remember the controversy section you’re talking about and wasn’t there also a section about negative views and classic Daily Mail cliches? It’s obvious that they’ve come on and in classic KGB fashion deleted all negative views.
As for the main story and campaign, the DM has for once done a campaign that I agree with. As an Aspergers Syndrome sufferer myself, I’ve been following this case very closely and have really been praying that poor Gary will win his fight. What the US is trying to do is illegal and it’s obvious that he will receive an unfair show trial and/or be sent to Guantanamo Bay. What he did isn’t as major as some of the things America’s been facing recently and as one guy recently said on Sky News, Gary should be congratulated for discovering a weakness in American intelligence. Every British person should be behing him and good on the DM for doing what they can to help him, especially after some nasty articles they’ve written about us in the past.
Just for the record, I’m not necessarily saying he should be automatically handed over to the Americans either and yes, if the daily Mail were advocating that instead, yes, I would be opposing them.
Their job, although they frequently seem to forget it, is supposedly to at least appear to be reporting the news, not get hysterical about it and try to influence people one way or the other.
Kiz- some interesting points (although he may have pointed out weaknesses in their security, potentially endangering lives by changing passwords etc. probably wasn‘t the right way to go about it).
I don’t have Asperger’s Syndrome myself but have known a lot of people who do. Do you not find it a bit insulting that somebody can claim “I’m disabled, I didn’t know what I was doing!” thereby making people with AS appear far less intelligent and able than they usually are? A good deal of the students with AS I used to work with would certainly have very little sympathy.
I appreciate it can be a difficult condition to live with but it’s not a do what you like and get away with it licence!
George, that’s not what’s happening. One problem that we have which annoys many people who don’t have it is that once we start something, we have to complete it and don’t want to stop until it’s done. Gary was doing just this-he must’ve known what he was doing was wrong but didn’t want to stop it, even if he was being told not to. If someone without AS had logged into the intelligence system and done it, they would’ve known when to stop but from experience, I know that Gary would’ve found this very difficult. You asked me if I find it insulting that he’s claiming that he can get away because of his disablility. I don’t because that’s not what he’s doing in the slightest-the only thing that insults me is how the Americans are exploiting his disability to get him in court over there. You know that if he’s tried over there, it’s going to be a show trial to set an example to others and completly unfair. And it’s not just me who thinks that-all my non-AS friends think the same and hope he gets off. I know you’re not trying to be insulting, but I still find the belief that he knowingly committed a cyber crime and used his disability as an excuse quite offensive.
Moggie-But if an ordinary young man is able to crack the intelligence systems of the world’s only superpower, what do you think real terrorist networks can do. Gary might have just saved thousands of innocent lives from a real cyber-terrorist attack from a real terrorist group.
@Kiz….but he DID knowingly commit a cyber crime and he IS using his disability as an excuse. My beef with the Americans is that if it were the other way round they almost certainly wouldn’t extradite one of their own citizens to Britain, let alone to any other European country.
PS Completely off topic but I can’t contain myself. I hope that, whatever your opinion of me might be, you will all follow my lead in supporting You Tube Blackout Day on July 14, a mass protest being staged against the new ‘beta’ channels they’re imposing on all You Tubers. Fight, fight and fight again to save the channels we love!
@Moggie Yes but my parents get it delievered ( I know, tragic) so I saw the first one and when I was in Sainsburys this evening the cover hadn’t changed
In the other edition actually they talk about rapist roaming the country freely, which would certainly be a more interesting debate and they talk about Harry Potter and the magic of growing up, well I thought all teenagers such as myself spent the whole time smoking pot, bunking off school and having sex in public in some seaside town in Cornwall, ah the constarting views of the comical genuises at the Mail, who nver make me fail to feel that am a pretty opened minded guy to most people in the country since it is the highest circulating newspaper in UK!
Daveyp, As I said in my last post, I know from experience as an Aspergers sufferer that once we start something, we get totally absorbed in it and can not stop it, regardless of how wrong or boring it is. Normal people don’t understand this and say we’re obsessed and that we’re ignoring them, but this is just how we behave. As someone with Aspergers, I genuinly believe that he started to do it and was completly unable to stop, even if he was told not to. He never ‘knowingly’ did what he did, it was all just a misunderstanding. And then when he was caught, he or his parents never used his disability as an excuse. That’s why I’d defend this guy to the death if I was able to.
BTW, I see what you mean about Americans, but it does seem a bit hypocritical for a Brit to say that when our government’s doing exactly the same thing with Gary!
Daveyp: do you remember the Natwest 3 who were caught up in the Enron scandal? The US wanted to extradite them to put them on trial and the press, initially, was very hostile to the 3. Then the 3 hired a PR company to pile on the charm to the UK media and in no time at all everyone was very sympathetic to them and there were stories about how they’d be in a US prison for 70 years or something. We even saw photo tours of the suspects’ houses and the like. In the end they were extradited and were put in jail, I think, for hardly any time at all!
It seems like the same thing has happened here with Gary McKinnon. The Mail says he was just looking for evidence of aliens; is this true or was he doing something else?
I’m always amazed at how it’s so often those who make ludicrously exaggerated claims about ‘loving’ and ‘caring’ for this country and our traditions so much and yet they appear to know so little about it or our traditions & historic practices.
McKinnon is not ‘using his Aspergers as an excuse’.
His lawyer, having found out he suffers from it, is presenting it as a relevant element of mitigation.
Mitigation excuses nothing but merely correctly and quite properly informs the Court so justice can be properly be done.
It is his lawyer’s duty to do this and mitigation is a long established and perfectly correct & reasonable element of British law.
Unfotunately for the traitorous right-wing they would prefer to torch those parts of British-ness in favour of their own spiteful and vindictive version of ‘justice’
(Justice that is for everyone else they consider lesser than themselves…..get one of them on trial and watch them suddenly find a new-found ‘love’ for the finer points of law and legality).
Interstingly it seems that the latest thinking on Aspergers is that it is simply a male thing and that it is quite likely that all men suffer from it, although to greatly varying degrees.
Some very definitely worse than others.
”and they talk about Harry Potter and the magic of growing up, well I thought all teenagers such as myself spent the whole time smoking pot, bunking off school and having sex in public in some seaside town in Cornwall”
I wish my teens were like that, that sound amazing, except for the Cornwall bit.
Slightly offtopic, but has anyone seen the article on their website about Malia Obama wearing a peace sign t-shirt, and making her out to be some sort of disarmament mouthpiece for her father for wearing the CND symbol? Some of the comments on the article are actually calling her ‘opinions’ on nuclear weapons naive. Yikes.
Let’s be honest Ashley, Obama is an almighty wrecking job just waiting to happen as far as the likes of the DM are concerned.
Naturally, at least to begin with, they will be very careful about how and what they eventually start sticking the boot in over but you just know it’s coming.
But even with their deluded minds, claiming a 10 year old’s t-shirt is a message for nuclear disarmament is over the top? Maybe I’m holding them to too human a standard.
@Goughie. If the Sainsbury’s is in the same area of the country as your parents then they will have the same editions whatever the time of day. The early editions get sent to the remote parts of the country and then stay there all day. Later editions are only available closer to the print/distribution points and do not get sent on to replace the early editions in further flung places.
(The exception to this is the places in London where you can get the early editions from 10pm the night before, and then later editions as they are printed. And delivery services like Ocado (and probably some hotels in London) have early editions all day, even though they are based relatively near the printers.)
It’s an ‘Affront to’ US Justice, surely. Y’know, hacking a government computer and getting away from it because you’re a bit of a trainspotter.
Unless “the intelligent diet” is don’t eat as much junk and get some more exercise, it’s as unintelligent as any other fad diet.
What is the real Mail agenda with the main story?
Original Paul – isn’t it fairly obvious? The agenda with *any* Daily Mail story is to bash ZaNuLiarBore at any opportunity.
They’re really keen on that fourth column on the front page, aren’t they?
A diet advertised in the Mail is about intelligent as a swine flu sandwhich
I am bewildered by the Mails tactic to try and back this idiot. Has it become known to them that Gary is a second cousin of Carol Thatcher?
It is hilarious though. As in, facts:
He was a senior systems analyst (as in computer expert) and long time hacker. Who hacked what is largely regarded as the holy grail of computer hacks – the pentagon. THE toughest net security on the planet.
Mail version:
Net geek, who borrowed a friends computer, asked someone at PC world how to access the internet, and then managed to hack the pentagon, by following online instructions.
Facts:
The guy accessed weapons areas, shut down military deployment systems, deleted millions of passwords, meaning that areas of the American navy couldn’t operate for 24 hours.
Left anti war messages, stating that he was going to “disrupt” their systems in protest to their Zionistic response to 9/11.
The Daily Mail version:
Geek, looking for alien pictures.
has he won the world cup for hacking or is that picture to do with another story?
my bad, turns out the pic relates to another story (wimbledon), although if you miss the small print it does look like it’s part of the hacking story.
Intelligent Diet……….Step 1) Don’t listen to fad headlines about certain foods stopping cancer and so on.
Seriously – people need to check out Wikipedia, and it’s discussion page, in regards to the Daily Mail.
The owner simply censors it. It’s almost like a PR excercise for the paper.
Any sourced “controversies” are deleted, along with a threatening message from said author.
The hilarious thing being, he included a section on Steven Lawrence, including a quote that “The Daily Mail, with this, has now quelled any allegations of racism they had in the past”.
It did have a full controversy section, which he has deleted – even though it is sourced – breaking wikipedia rules.
I actually work in the press myself, so am limited to what I can personally edit/do – conflict of interest
But I advise anyone who feels strongly about some twerp censoring the page, to have a visit, and edit it yourself.
To confirm – wikipedia rules are that anything fact and sourceable can stay up.
There’s endless source material for Mail controversies. I’m hoping someone will take on this little Hitler.
Seriously – his powers over the matter are next to none, as it’s not breaking any rules – posting a sourcec controversy section.
Oh for fucks sake! Talk about kneejerk responses! The DM backs this guy, be he sinister hacker or sad geek as the case may be, and so you all feel the need to attack him. Though none of you take your reasoning to its logical conclusion and say that he should be handed over to the Yanks in order to spend the next few decades in a maximum security prison being fucked senseless by assorted sociopaths. If the DM were taking the opposite line and calling for him to be extradited you’d all be full of compassion for him! And you condemn the DM for being predictable?!
‘@Chris…I see you’re up to you’re usual tricks…condemning the DM for tampering with its Wikepedia entry and yet urging people to do exactly the same thing! The phrase ‘having your cake and eating it’ springs to mind’.
I think the Daily Mail’s interest in this is that Asperger’s Syndrome is in a way a very middle class disorder. To get your child diagnosed and into a special school or college usually takes years of tribunals, etc. and even then only the most demanding / difficult parents will get the placements they want.
Therefore, anybody from a less well off background with the same condition (which is not an excuse for this kind of behaviour but still a pretty big deal) is simply a “Naughty Child”, the kind regularly demonised in Ricky Littlemind and Potty Pete Hitchens’ “What’s The World Coming To?” (TM) columns.
I must admit I’m kind of in two minds about this as this bloke’s condition does go some way towards explaining why (and perhaps even how) he did it but like the autistic kid who gets to jump all the queues at the fairground under threat of kicking off, it should not be used as an excuse either.
As to the Wikipedia matter, I’m a bit busy at the moment but hopefully people will get on it. The Press Complaints Commission (of which the Mail’s editor is apparently the chairman- seriously) entry’s also a bit dodgy as somebody else pointed out a while back.
I’d say they shouldn’t be saying either “Save this Asperger’s “Victim”- he didn’t know what he was doing!” (highly unlikely) or “Hand him over to the yanks” either actually. They should just be reporting the news. Like, you know, a newspaper.
And although I’ve previously pointed out that posters here sometimes seem to go out of their way to disagree with those occasional sensible DM headlines, as it reads today that seems to be all everybody on here’s saying too.
And I think the post about the Wiki entry’s fair enough. He’s not advocating taking it the other way, just restoring balance and keeping it to the facts according to Wikipedia rules.
My question stands, what is the real Mail agenda?
I’m actually with the Mail on the principle the bloke shouldn’t be sent to the US for trial – he’s clearly just a bit deluded.
Bit bewildering they’ve only just made a fuss though, years after the original events and the original trial. Slow news day?
As for Wikipedia tampering, I think putting legit material back to stop the DM page being conveniently sanitized is absolutely the right thing to do. If they don’t like people pointing out when they fuck up and/or get caught out agenda-pushing rather than actually reporting facts, the simplest thing to do would be for the DM to not fuck up and stop publishing scaremongering bullshit.
Just an idea, y’know.
I wonder what the Mial’s position would have been if the bloke had been a muslim geek/alien spotter
WRONG FRONT COVER AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you mean Goughie? It’s yesterday’s front cover
And what do you mean “again”, Goughie? Even if this were today’s paper, aren’t you aware that daily papers often print more than one edition during the day?
DaveyP “none of you take your reasoning to its logical conclusion and say that he should be handed over to the Yanks in order to spend the next few decades in a maximum security prison being fucked senseless by assorted sociopaths”. He hacked into the Pentagon and shut down some operations. What the fuck do you think happens when you do that? Don’t you watch 24 or something? I’m amased Jack Bauer hasn’t already broken his fingers. The reaction was to the Mail leading yet another campaign and the knee-jerk reaction was yours. He’s been marketed as if he’s Rain Man. If you can’t see the agenda then please just hold back on your Moorewatch philosphy. No need to tell everyone how you’re Right.
Chris, I know what you mean. Even though I HATE wikipedia vandalising with avengence, I recently couldn’t resist the temptation to go on there and do a bit of fake editing on the Daily Mail and Daily Express pages. For the DE, under the political alliegence tab, I changed ‘right wing’ to ‘far right’ and for the DM, they have that page which they did a couple of years ago where they said the amount of people migrating to and from Britain. (The one in which they lied and counted tourists as immigrants.) Under it, it says ‘Daily Mail front page’. I changed it to ‘Typical Daily Mail front page’. 5 minutes later, I went back on the pages to check my edits and they’d been removed. Therefore, I’ve come to the conclusion that some sad editors and readers of these rags with really boring lives sit in front of their computers all day constantly refreshing the page and as soon as anything negative comes on the page about their ‘papers’, they remove it.
I also remember the controversy section you’re talking about and wasn’t there also a section about negative views and classic Daily Mail cliches? It’s obvious that they’ve come on and in classic KGB fashion deleted all negative views.
As for the main story and campaign, the DM has for once done a campaign that I agree with. As an Aspergers Syndrome sufferer myself, I’ve been following this case very closely and have really been praying that poor Gary will win his fight. What the US is trying to do is illegal and it’s obvious that he will receive an unfair show trial and/or be sent to Guantanamo Bay. What he did isn’t as major as some of the things America’s been facing recently and as one guy recently said on Sky News, Gary should be congratulated for discovering a weakness in American intelligence. Every British person should be behing him and good on the DM for doing what they can to help him, especially after some nasty articles they’ve written about us in the past.
“Gary should be congratulated for discovering a weakness in American intelligence”
Bullshit. When you discover poor security at a site, the responsible thing is to notify its owners, not exploit the weakness.
Just for the record, I’m not necessarily saying he should be automatically handed over to the Americans either and yes, if the daily Mail were advocating that instead, yes, I would be opposing them.
Their job, although they frequently seem to forget it, is supposedly to at least appear to be reporting the news, not get hysterical about it and try to influence people one way or the other.
Kiz- some interesting points (although he may have pointed out weaknesses in their security, potentially endangering lives by changing passwords etc. probably wasn‘t the right way to go about it).
I don’t have Asperger’s Syndrome myself but have known a lot of people who do. Do you not find it a bit insulting that somebody can claim “I’m disabled, I didn’t know what I was doing!” thereby making people with AS appear far less intelligent and able than they usually are? A good deal of the students with AS I used to work with would certainly have very little sympathy.
I appreciate it can be a difficult condition to live with but it’s not a do what you like and get away with it licence!
George, that’s not what’s happening. One problem that we have which annoys many people who don’t have it is that once we start something, we have to complete it and don’t want to stop until it’s done. Gary was doing just this-he must’ve known what he was doing was wrong but didn’t want to stop it, even if he was being told not to. If someone without AS had logged into the intelligence system and done it, they would’ve known when to stop but from experience, I know that Gary would’ve found this very difficult. You asked me if I find it insulting that he’s claiming that he can get away because of his disablility. I don’t because that’s not what he’s doing in the slightest-the only thing that insults me is how the Americans are exploiting his disability to get him in court over there. You know that if he’s tried over there, it’s going to be a show trial to set an example to others and completly unfair. And it’s not just me who thinks that-all my non-AS friends think the same and hope he gets off. I know you’re not trying to be insulting, but I still find the belief that he knowingly committed a cyber crime and used his disability as an excuse quite offensive.
Moggie-But if an ordinary young man is able to crack the intelligence systems of the world’s only superpower, what do you think real terrorist networks can do. Gary might have just saved thousands of innocent lives from a real cyber-terrorist attack from a real terrorist group.
@Kiz….but he DID knowingly commit a cyber crime and he IS using his disability as an excuse. My beef with the Americans is that if it were the other way round they almost certainly wouldn’t extradite one of their own citizens to Britain, let alone to any other European country.
PS Completely off topic but I can’t contain myself. I hope that, whatever your opinion of me might be, you will all follow my lead in supporting You Tube Blackout Day on July 14, a mass protest being staged against the new ‘beta’ channels they’re imposing on all You Tubers. Fight, fight and fight again to save the channels we love!
@Moggie Yes but my parents get it delievered ( I know, tragic) so I saw the first one and when I was in Sainsburys this evening the cover hadn’t changed
In the other edition actually they talk about rapist roaming the country freely, which would certainly be a more interesting debate and they talk about Harry Potter and the magic of growing up, well I thought all teenagers such as myself spent the whole time smoking pot, bunking off school and having sex in public in some seaside town in Cornwall, ah the constarting views of the comical genuises at the Mail, who nver make me fail to feel that am a pretty opened minded guy to most people in the country since it is the highest circulating newspaper in UK!
Daveyp, As I said in my last post, I know from experience as an Aspergers sufferer that once we start something, we get totally absorbed in it and can not stop it, regardless of how wrong or boring it is. Normal people don’t understand this and say we’re obsessed and that we’re ignoring them, but this is just how we behave. As someone with Aspergers, I genuinly believe that he started to do it and was completly unable to stop, even if he was told not to. He never ‘knowingly’ did what he did, it was all just a misunderstanding. And then when he was caught, he or his parents never used his disability as an excuse. That’s why I’d defend this guy to the death if I was able to.
BTW, I see what you mean about Americans, but it does seem a bit hypocritical for a Brit to say that when our government’s doing exactly the same thing with Gary!
Daveyp: do you remember the Natwest 3 who were caught up in the Enron scandal? The US wanted to extradite them to put them on trial and the press, initially, was very hostile to the 3. Then the 3 hired a PR company to pile on the charm to the UK media and in no time at all everyone was very sympathetic to them and there were stories about how they’d be in a US prison for 70 years or something. We even saw photo tours of the suspects’ houses and the like. In the end they were extradited and were put in jail, I think, for hardly any time at all!
It seems like the same thing has happened here with Gary McKinnon. The Mail says he was just looking for evidence of aliens; is this true or was he doing something else?
I’m always amazed at how it’s so often those who make ludicrously exaggerated claims about ‘loving’ and ‘caring’ for this country and our traditions so much and yet they appear to know so little about it or our traditions & historic practices.
McKinnon is not ‘using his Aspergers as an excuse’.
His lawyer, having found out he suffers from it, is presenting it as a relevant element of mitigation.
Mitigation excuses nothing but merely correctly and quite properly informs the Court so justice can be properly be done.
It is his lawyer’s duty to do this and mitigation is a long established and perfectly correct & reasonable element of British law.
Unfotunately for the traitorous right-wing they would prefer to torch those parts of British-ness in favour of their own spiteful and vindictive version of ‘justice’
(Justice that is for everyone else they consider lesser than themselves…..get one of them on trial and watch them suddenly find a new-found ‘love’ for the finer points of law and legality).
Interstingly it seems that the latest thinking on Aspergers is that it is simply a male thing and that it is quite likely that all men suffer from it, although to greatly varying degrees.
Some very definitely worse than others.
”and they talk about Harry Potter and the magic of growing up, well I thought all teenagers such as myself spent the whole time smoking pot, bunking off school and having sex in public in some seaside town in Cornwall”
I wish my teens were like that, that sound amazing, except for the Cornwall bit.
Slightly offtopic, but has anyone seen the article on their website about Malia Obama wearing a peace sign t-shirt, and making her out to be some sort of disarmament mouthpiece for her father for wearing the CND symbol? Some of the comments on the article are actually calling her ‘opinions’ on nuclear weapons naive. Yikes.
Let’s be honest Ashley, Obama is an almighty wrecking job just waiting to happen as far as the likes of the DM are concerned.
Naturally, at least to begin with, they will be very careful about how and what they eventually start sticking the boot in over but you just know it’s coming.
But even with their deluded minds, claiming a 10 year old’s t-shirt is a message for nuclear disarmament is over the top? Maybe I’m holding them to too human a standard.
@Goughie. If the Sainsbury’s is in the same area of the country as your parents then they will have the same editions whatever the time of day. The early editions get sent to the remote parts of the country and then stay there all day. Later editions are only available closer to the print/distribution points and do not get sent on to replace the early editions in further flung places.
(The exception to this is the places in London where you can get the early editions from 10pm the night before, and then later editions as they are printed. And delivery services like Ocado (and probably some hotels in London) have early editions all day, even though they are based relatively near the printers.)