“NOW IT’S WAR!” – sounds like a stable environment to bring up kids, then.
Oh, and Cameron… “pathological” means caused by a mental or physical disorder. Are you saying that Labour are against marriage because they’re all cripples? Nice.
I was under the impression that the key to a stable happy family (whatever that means) was two people caring for each other, and mutual trust and all that stuff. Instead the key is evidently whether two people have taken part in a very boring formal ceremony or not.
“Labour was accused of a ‘pathological’ opposition to supporting marriage by David Cameron yesterday as he promised a Tory government would reward every wedded couple.
The Conservative leader drew battle lines for the general election with a scathing attack on Children’s Secretary Ed Balls, who had said marriage was not the key to a happy family. ”
Balls is correct, simply having married parents does not make a happy family. It’s slightly more complicated than that!
And offering financial rewards for marriage is just a crass attempt at social engineering.
Here is Balls’ quote:’I think marriage is really important, but you cannot say “We will have a family policy which is only about marriage”.
‘That ignores the well-being of relationships where there is not a marriage, either due to divorce, separation or whatever.
‘The Tory policy is that marriage is first-class and any other relationship is second-class. That is fundamentally not in the interests of children. We should be about supporting strong and stable relationships.’
Hear, hear.
Predictably, the people who’ve made similar comments to mine above had been red-arrow by the DM online mob.
[...] details a row between School Secretary Ed Balls and David Cameron over the role of marriage with a front page headline of “Marriage: now it’s war”. The article follows speculation in recent [...]
From idiotic myths about health and safety to idiocy on marriage to the nasty b*llocks about a supposedly scary fundamentalist Islamic school.
None of it bears any serious examination.
His attempt to lay the ‘blame’ for (what he claims is) an excessively restrictive health and safety climate is utterly wrong, it is not the Government at all.
Primarily it is his mates in the financial markets pricing insurance out of the reach of schools and the rest.
But I guess recognising & admitting that the private sector lies at the heart of this just spoils his ludicrous party-political BS.
Perhaps Cameron’s first choice of reading is the Mail, especially Littledick.. That’s why he believes those “elf and safety” myths and other garbage peddled by this paper.
A happy marriage, husband and wife and mother who is there to obey, be quiet and compliant, middle class house in the suburbs, church on Sunday and the wife getting smacked around when dinner is late. Yes, the great Tory, Daily Mail idea of marriage and the vision of a past that never was.
As other people have said, the Conservatives could bribe/demand that everyone in Britain gets married, but it cant make them love and care for each other which is were the real benefit from marriage comes from. Bribing people to get married would cheepen and tarnish the whole institution. For once a government minister is spot on!
The Daily Mail positively endorsing marriage as a way of socially engineering the society they want. That’s strange, because they have been pretty violently oppossed to social engineering in the past, having accused everything from admissions policies in higher ed. to vaccines as being simply social engineering gimmicks. Marriage is the biggest social engineering gimmick ever.
He’s absolutely right. If you are going to get married, but decide not to because you aren’t going to get any financial benefit, you should probably be reconsidering whether you are getting married for the right reasons.
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If only it was all that simple, that one social construct could hold us all together, is this the world that D-Cam and the Daily Fail live in?
What a horrible sort of paradise that is…
Is this the same paper that only a couple of months ago asked why so many marriages were ending in murder…
Anyone getting married because of a tax break shouldn’t.
“NOW IT’S WAR!” – sounds like a stable environment to bring up kids, then.
Oh, and Cameron… “pathological” means caused by a mental or physical disorder. Are you saying that Labour are against marriage because they’re all cripples? Nice.
I was under the impression that the key to a stable happy family (whatever that means) was two people caring for each other, and mutual trust and all that stuff. Instead the key is evidently whether two people have taken part in a very boring formal ceremony or not.
I love this paper’s hysterical tone: ‘….now it’s war’.
The Mail trying to dictate the agenda-again!
“Labour was accused of a ‘pathological’ opposition to supporting marriage by David Cameron yesterday as he promised a Tory government would reward every wedded couple.
The Conservative leader drew battle lines for the general election with a scathing attack on Children’s Secretary Ed Balls, who had said marriage was not the key to a happy family. ”
Balls is correct, simply having married parents does not make a happy family. It’s slightly more complicated than that!
And offering financial rewards for marriage is just a crass attempt at social engineering.
Here is Balls’ quote:’I think marriage is really important, but you cannot say “We will have a family policy which is only about marriage”.
‘That ignores the well-being of relationships where there is not a marriage, either due to divorce, separation or whatever.
‘The Tory policy is that marriage is first-class and any other relationship is second-class. That is fundamentally not in the interests of children. We should be about supporting strong and stable relationships.’
Hear, hear.
Predictably, the people who’ve made similar comments to mine above had been red-arrow by the DM online mob.
Stable, happy and loving parents are what makes a good family, whether they a married is irrelevent
War on Smug? Great!
[...] details a row between School Secretary Ed Balls and David Cameron over the role of marriage with a front page headline of “Marriage: now it’s war”. The article follows speculation in recent [...]
My parents’ marriage has always been war………..this isn’t NEWS to me.
“… he promised a Tory government would reward every wedded couple. ”
With £20, IIRC.
Bisyss – is that £20 each? If I have to share it with her then I’ll not bother getting married.
Ooo more benefits, at what point will money actually be saved?
Cameron’s just full of sh!te.
From idiotic myths about health and safety to idiocy on marriage to the nasty b*llocks about a supposedly scary fundamentalist Islamic school.
None of it bears any serious examination.
His attempt to lay the ‘blame’ for (what he claims is) an excessively restrictive health and safety climate is utterly wrong, it is not the Government at all.
Primarily it is his mates in the financial markets pricing insurance out of the reach of schools and the rest.
But I guess recognising & admitting that the private sector lies at the heart of this just spoils his ludicrous party-political BS.
NickPheas
“Anyone getting married because of a tax break shouldn’t”
Precisely, what sort of maniac thinks differently.
Oh……
Perhaps Cameron’s first choice of reading is the Mail, especially Littledick.. That’s why he believes those “elf and safety” myths and other garbage peddled by this paper.
I’m waiting to hear if Forrins with extra wives will get multiple payments.
A happy marriage, husband and wife and mother who is there to obey, be quiet and compliant, middle class house in the suburbs, church on Sunday and the wife getting smacked around when dinner is late. Yes, the great Tory, Daily Mail idea of marriage and the vision of a past that never was.
As other people have said, the Conservatives could bribe/demand that everyone in Britain gets married, but it cant make them love and care for each other which is were the real benefit from marriage comes from. Bribing people to get married would cheepen and tarnish the whole institution. For once a government minister is spot on!
The Daily Mail positively endorsing marriage as a way of socially engineering the society they want. That’s strange, because they have been pretty violently oppossed to social engineering in the past, having accused everything from admissions policies in higher ed. to vaccines as being simply social engineering gimmicks. Marriage is the biggest social engineering gimmick ever.
Who was it who abolished the benefits for married couples? Ken Clarke, an old-fashioned pre-Cameron Tory. Blaming the Labour government for a Tory policy change? Whoops. Ken Clarke, though, is absolutely right – see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1129602/Ken-Clarke-dismisses-Tories-tax-marriage-policy.html – in calling this for what it is – Tory social engineering.
He’s absolutely right. If you are going to get married, but decide not to because you aren’t going to get any financial benefit, you should probably be reconsidering whether you are getting married for the right reasons.