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Props to the Star: Unashamedly the moron’s choice.
I see the Daily Mail can always be counted upon for its sensitivity and good taste.
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Yeah, congratulations, Mail. Use genuine bloodshed and unrest as an excuse for a cheap and exaggerated “Is that what you want? ‘Cos that’s WHAT’LL ‘APPEN!” piece of scaremongering bullshit.
Is there an election on? They could have said! (well not the Daily Star obviously)
Still I’m sure the families of the Greeks who died in the bank petrol bombing will be proud they can be used for a cheep political point in the Mail, perhaps all the war referances were already taken up by the Express (d-day) and that odd Stalin-ish poster on the Sun.
Back to the future.
The tory press (now Blair & an inevitable Labour win that was foreseeable months before an election has gone) revert back to their true colours.
I’d rather they stuck at this than they carry on the pretense of ’supporting’ Labour on election day and then acting like tory cheer-leaders for the rest of the 4 or 5yrs in between.
Using the dead to score cheap political points?
The Daily Mail?
Wow, who’d a thunk it?
C*unts.
Just pathetic, all except the Star of course.
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BURNING ISSUE FOR BRITAIN? ALL issues of the Mail should be burnt!
Hmm. The Mail, Express and Sun are all telling me to support DC. So given said rags’ records on presenting the facts in the past, should I trust them on this? I think that’s what they call a ‘no-brainer’.
I notice the Scottish Sun didn’t go with the Cameronobamination – http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/
Why is the Mirror featured twice, are they doing that rather capitalist ‘multiple covers for you to collect’ con?
the suns front page is just horriffic
D Day………’D’ = disater, obviously.
DisaSter, even………
What is The Sun trying to convince us of anyway? They’re ripping off the American national motto “In God we trust”. Are they really trying to convince us DC is some sort of deity?
If Cameron is our only hope, well heaven help us.
Nice picture, tough. Not sure, is it meant to make him look Churchillian as well?
‘Oh yes’ Phil! Or did you mean ‘the other one’?
The Mirror changed there cover midway through the night for some reason, I preferred the non Bullingdon club one really, that 8 point poll lead is a little misleading by the Guardian
Yea
I don’t really so the logic in pointing out Cam went to posh schools and clubs when Blair and Brown went through the same system
The Sun’s front cover reminds me of the way Hitler was marketed in the 1930s in Germany as the country’s last hope. Obviously I don’t think that David Cameron is Hitler, but it still strikes me as odd.
Even today, the day on which I cast my vote, I consider myself undecided. In my constituency I have a choice of five candidates; one for each of the three main parties and two twits from UKIP and the BNP. I swear I will never vote for these last two, and I doubt that I’ll ever vote Conservative. This leaves me with the choice of either Labour or the Lib Dems.
What to do?
I hope The Guardian is playing at a bit of ‘reverse psychology’. The thought of an ‘inevitable’ Tory win certainly terrifies me.
er Mr Mordon ….Kirkaldy High School was a state grammar school when Brown went there – it’s not quite in the same league as Fettes College, Eton or Westminster.
Technical point…we do not have “grammar schools” in Scotland. Schools are either fee-paying or state-run. Kirkcaldy High School is in the state sector.
After that he received a first class MA from Edinburgh University – not a wholly proleterian establishment, but certainly not on a par with Oxbridge.
The Mirror’s ad hominem is contemptible too, to go out of my way to be fair.
Oh right I do apologise for my technical error. Gordon Brown attended an academically selective state school .
Kirkcaldy High School is no longer academically selective but it was when Brown was a lad
I hate myself for it but I can’t shake the Big Brother vibe I’m getting from the Sun there.
Holy Moly! That Sun front cover is TERRIBLE, what the heckins were they thinking. Anyway nice to see Mail Watch joining in with the election coverage, I don’t think any of the papers will be happy tomorrow if the exit polls are anything to go by. Not surprised at the Mail front cover either, hijacking a tragedy to push their own agenda = business as usual for them. Hey ho
So after all those 5yrs of campigning for Cameron & against Brown the net result?
Cameron failed.
Cameron failed to get the necessary majority in the HoC.
No matter how much blather he, his party or his mates in the press waffle on.
It is now, under our current system of Gov, perfectly legitimate for the other parties to negotiate and see if they can form a a working majoirt in the HoC.
With luck we’re getting a Lab/LibDem coalition for some time and PR.
At f*cking last!
Fuck you Rupert Murdoch, the one thing you didn’t want to happen just happened. All your weeks of bullshit, lies, propaganda, spin, hate and bile and the people just turned round and told you yo fuck right off.
We’ll get a tory gov. anyway probably, for a short time at least.
You can imagine what the tabloids would do if there’s a lib/lab government.. even though it would represent 52% of the population (making it the most representative gov. we’ve had in years) the mail would spin it as if brown had taken over downing street with tanks.
Over a whole day of hung parliament and I have yet to hear of a single British policeman spontaneously combusting.
Could this be another conspiracy of silence by the communist led liberal media?
So, after all the abuse aimed at Labour, all the adoration for the Tories and all the lies that have been told by the Mail over the years (recently rejoined by the Express and the Sun), the best they could achieve was a hung parliament. Makes me wonder how the election would have turned out if said rags had made some token attempt at balance.
BTW in case anyone’s still not aware of it: http://www.takebackparliament.com/
It’s taken a while to put my finger on it, but look closely at that Sun front page (Painful I know) but look closely.
Do you notice how they’ve rendered David Cameron looking slightly podgy faced?
It’s almost as though it’s just beginning a morph into Nick Griffin.
I’m not sure David will be pleased with that particlar “likeness”.
Hmm …. Not too sure what you’re getting at there Steve but if I look at your comment closely enough it’s almost as though it’s morphing into a Stalinist smear.
David Cameron/Nick Griffin Can you tell the difference? Yes Steve, yes I can.
Um.. and if I could just state the obvious. Given that the Tories won the Majority of the seats in England wouldn’t it be a teeny bit undemocratic if we were ruled by a government that excluded the Conservatives.
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Karlo: while I’m still struggling to spot the “Stalinist smear” in Steve suggesting that David Cameron might not be pleased with The Sun for making him look like Nick Griffin, I’m rather more puzzled by your suggestion that, in a General Election for the Parliament of the United Kingdom, the result of the majority of seats in one of the four constituent countries would offer a proper democratic mandate, but a coalition of two parties who had the combined votes of 52% of voters would be “a teeny bit undemocratic”.
While you think that what you have done is “state the obvious”, some might think that you haven’t quite got the hang of democracy.
‘I’m rather more puzzled by your suggestion that, in a General Election for the Parliament of the United Kingdom, the result of the majority of seats in one of the four constituent countries would offer a proper democratic mandate’ – er…….where did I suggest that?
I think if you re-read my six line comment (shouldn’t take you more than an hour) you’ll see I merely pointed out that excluding the single most popular political party in the UK would be a teeny bit undemocratic.
Then again we have been ruled, for the past five years, by a party which won only 35.3% of the vote. (Yes that’s correct, it’s a lower percentage than the conservatives got this time). Indeed it’s not a lot more than the conservatives got last time (32.3%) yet labour had a majority of around 158 seats.
But I’m sure you were up in arms about that in 2005, weren’t you? No I thought not.
Democracy – um that’s where Scottish MP’s get to vote on legislation that only affect’s England eg education issues but English MPs are excluded from voting on issues dealt with by the Scottish Parliament. (Scotland being the country to the north of the UK that enjoys a disproportionately large share of public expenditure and is massively over represented in the House of Commons)
Feel free to explain this democracy thing to me because it doesn’t sound quite like what we have in the UK.
Karlo, I think you have just talked yourself into PR.
Tony
F*ck the tabloids.
The biggest joke in all of this is, once again, those tory-minded propagandists who on the one-hand bore everyone to death proclaiming thier incredible ‘love’ for British traditions and values etc and yet on the other when it comes to it find them instantly disposable when they get a result they don’t like.
The fact is that to govern the UK a party must be able to achieve a majority in the HoC.
Cameron has failed in that.
So it is now up to the partys in the HoC to see if a coalition can be put together that can achieve that majority.
Cameron & the LibDems is only one possibility and because there is another perfectly plausible coalition that could be possible it is just tough for the tory fans.
Cameron & Co. failed and so they will have to wait and see what happens.
Meantime Gordon Brown is duty-bound to remain in No.10 so that the UK is not left with any form of Gov at all.
The Sun et al when they talk of ’squatting’ just betray their ignorance (and their selfish interest & approval in rules when they work in their favour).
This is what ‘first past the post’ has given us, incredible how the tory gang hate it.
Ah Karlo, I was wondering when you would start blaming the Scottish for this, other people to blame on the Mail website include the Welsh and the unemployed. Who’s next immigrants, the EU, MMR?
You might also want to note that the North of England is far more heavily subsidised than Scotland. Also you might want to remember that Scotland suffered under Thatcher, we certainly remember. We don’t vote tory.
Get It Right F*cking Up You
Key Karlo, my comment about our new leader’s likeness was purely asthetic.
Whatever technology (rotoscope, photoshop) they used to make it didn’t work out well.
The dark lines under the chin give a bloated/jowly look that’s more characteristic of another party leader.
I’m willing to bet you that this picture won’t be the picture he, or his followers would choose for posterity.
Has anybody else noticed (Part 2):
in the 3 days approaching the election all parties queued up to profess their loyalty to and love for “The electorate”, and in some cases “Small Businesses”.
These were the guys they worked so hard for.
The broadcast and print press joined in wholeheartedly.
Since midday on the 7th, I’ve heard neither mentioned.
They’ve magically been replaced by “The Markets”.
What the markets want, what the markets won’t like etc etc.
How did politicians, active and retired and the press all suffer a collective amnesia at midday on the day after polling.
“shouldn’t take you more than an hour” There must be finer put downs to use than ones that make you come across as a total wanker Karlo. Take an hour to think about some.
But, yes – all this talk of what The Market wants is making it seem like the whole process has been to keep The Markets happy. Why don’t they just let The Markets choose in the first place and to hell with any kind of democracy?
Thank-you Johnny Subtitles I was wondering when someone would start blaming Thatcher (more than 20 years after she left office.)
‘ Also you might want to remember that Scotland suffered under Thatcher’. er …in what way?
Was it really Thatcher’s fault that Revenscraig, Methil, Linwood and Clydeside were uncompetitive or that heavy industry had been in decline since the 1920s? Or maybe you’re still blaming her for the poll tax or er.. Culloden?
Or it could just be that Scots don’t vote Tory because there’s no need. Look at the visionary leadership and incorruptability shown by Glasgow City Council – it’s a fine example to set the rest of the UK isn’t it ?
I lived in Scotland under Thatcher and when my daddy lost his job we lived on benefits. If that’s your idea of suffering Johnny Subtitles then you really need to get out more often.
Steve – I don’t see the likeness myself but I apologise for suggesting you were linking Cameron with Griffin. I should think the Sun’s support lost more votes for Cameron than it gained.
It’s a bit galling to hear the right complaining about the results of a FPTP election seeing as they were the ones who were, and still are opposing electoral reform.
And every time I hear about the markets makes me fucking pike, they’re, along with the banks the reason we’re in this fucking mess and it was the taxpayer who had to bail them out. They can go fuck themselves.
Lashings of hypocrisy round here…and not just from the tory tabloids! I wonder how many of the contributors to this site were spluttering with indignation when Tony Blair got his 1997 landslide with less than 50% of the votes cast? No, I thought not.
I was going to vote UKIP (the only non-fascist party with an immigration policy that actually makes sense) but absent-mindedly sealed up the white envelope of my postal vote BEFORE I’d put the brown envelope with the ballot paper inside it. Silly me, but I was very tired at the time. So I didn’t get to vote. And no, I’m not expecting any sympathy.
Karlo you are indeed my favourite poster.
So it’s okay for you to blame the Scots for what has happened in the election but it’s not okay for us to have a go at the Conservatives. I gave you an explanation why we don’t vote Tory but you don’t appear to appreciate it.
How about this
Margaret Thatcher opened her account in 1979 by reneging on the pledge given by the Scottish Tory grandee Alec Douglas-Home that the Tories would offer Scotland a better form of devolution than the anaemic assembly that Labour put to a referendum unsuccessfully in 1979. It wasn’t so much that she actively disliked devolution as that it was the policy of her predecessor Ted Heath, and she simply didn’t see the point of it. There were much more important things to through the recession of 1981-83 that destroyed Scottish industrial culture.
Scottish heavy industry had been in decline since the end of the First World War, but Scotland was still a society based around industrial communities, as with the Ravenscraig steelworks in Motherwell and the coal mines of Fife. By the time Thatcher was finished, Ravenscraig was no more, and the pits had closed along with the car plants and aluminium smelters. The nationalist pop duo the Proclaimers wrote a hit song in the 1980s, “Letter from America”, which listed the industrial icons that had closed: “Bathgate no more/Linwood no more/Methil no more . . .”
The song was a lament for departed Scots émigrés, but most of the victims of the 1980s closures actually remained in Scotland, trapped on welfare. The social cost of this socioeconomic disruption lingers to this day in the appalling mortality figures from heart disease, suicide and depression in West Central Scotland. The deep-fried Mars Bars and Buckfast wine are a symptom, not the cause. The communities that gave meaning to the lives of hundreds of thousands of working-class Scots disintegrated, leaving them rotting on Incapacity Benefit.
However, it wasn’t just Maggie Thatcher’s Englishness and her apparent insensitivity to the plight of industrial Scotland that made her a hate figure. The final nail in her political coffin was the poll tax, which she inflicted on Scotland in 1987, a year ahead of England.
The flat-rate “community charge” – in which “a dustman paid the same as a duke”- offended Scotland’s ingrained egalitarianism. The General Assembly of the Church of Scotland condemned it as morally indefensible, as did all opposition parties. Yet even after the Scottish Tories lost 11 of their 21 MPs in the 1987 election, Thatcher persevered. The subsequent campaign of non-payment of the tax turned the Militant Tommy Sheridan into a national celebrity after he was imprisoned. Scots mounted huge peaceful demonstrations to no avail, and were outraged that the poll tax was finally repealed only after the London street fighting of the “Battle of Trafalgar Square” in 1990.
It was the poll tax, more than any other facet of Thatcherism, that ensured the disintegration of the old unitary British state. Scots complained that the poll tax legislation was pushed through Westminster on the strength of English MPs co-opted on to the Scottish standing committee to make up the numbers. It was the West Lothian question in reverse. The poll-tax row finally persuaded Labour’s ultra-cautious shadow Scottish secretary, Donald Dewar, to join the cross-party Scottish Constitutional Convention in 1988 and sign its “Claim of Right” document, which called for a repatriation of Scottish sovereignty. Ironically, the Scottish National Party boycotted the convention, making itself politically irrelevant for the next decade and a half.
In 1997, after every single Scottish Conservative seat was lost, Labour held its promised second referendum on the constitution. Scots voted by a decisive three to one in favour of a Scottish Parliament with tax powers, bringing to an end three centuries of debate about home rule. Since the election in 1999 of the first Scottish Parliament in 300 years, the process of constitutional disengagement has speeded up, with the Scots electing their first Nationalist government in May 2007. But it might never have happened if it had not been for Margaret Thatcher.
Thatcher was a sincere Unionist who thought she understood the Scots, and that they would eventually come round. Her enduring legacy, however, may be the disintegration of the British state she loved.
GIRFUY
Karlo: There is very little I would like to add to Mr Subtitles historical analysis, but there are a few points to be made.
1. A great many of us do feel that the present electoral system produces unfair results – in practical terms there is little to choose between 1983 (winning party 42.4% of votes, 61% of seats, third placed party 25.4% of votes, 3.5% of seats) and 1997 (winning party 43.2% of votes, 63.4% of seats, third placed party 16.8% of votes, 7% of seats).
In each case the huge majority effectively rendered the opposition party wholly impotent, and stifled debate within the governing party; if 25 MPs disagreed fundamentally with Government policy then there was no need to negotiate, persuade or make concessions. I did not vote Labour in 1997 and was not happy at the effect of a single party having such a disproportionate power within the Commons.
2. The introduction of the Poll Tax was only one example of the pre-devolution situation where bills on matters of Scots law or Scottish education were steamrollered through at Commitee stage by the votes of MPs from Surrey and Cheshire; nobody was yelling “constitutional crisis” then.
3. I suspect that you still believe the myth that Culloden was a battle between English and Scots armies, won by the English. In fact, Bonnie Prince Charlie’s support was drawn almost entirely from the Scottish Highlands – he was loathed in the Presbyterian South, where the return of the corrupt Catholic Stuart dynasty was widely feared. He made no attempt to travel through Strathclyde or Lanarkshire on jis way south, as to have done so would have been dangerous. Even Edinburgh, the former Stuart capital, was at best indifferent to his cause. Of the 9000 troops in Cumberland’s army, around one third were regiments of Lowland Scots (plus the Argylls – no friends of the Jacobite cause). Slightly more Scots fought for the Jacobites than against them at Culloden, so itwas not, in any way, a battle between nations.
Thank-you Johnny Subtitles – I was familiar with the New Statesman article. It’s not exacly an in-depth article is it? Is your entire knowledge of Scotland and Scottish politics based on that one article? Oh dear !!!!! I don’t suppose you were even born when Maggie Thatcher was in power.
I was born and brought up in (the deprived south-east of) Glasgow dearie and escaped without ever having eaten a deep fried Mars Bar or drunk Buckfast. Don’t believe all the stereotypes you read about Glasgow. It’s quite a nice place despite the best efforts of Glasgow City council.
Anyway I am grateful that you have elected yourself to speak for the entire Scottish nation but should probably point out that more than 400,000 voters in Scotland did vote tory. And um..it’s just a shame that you seem to know so little about the social history or politics of Scotland.
Go to it Karlo and Neander. As always concise, and so very erudite, but above all true
Actually Karlo I was born in 1981, I used the New Statesman article as I didn’t want to post something too long. I don’t believe any of the stereotypes about Glasgow and have very close connections to the place. I do realise that some people in Scotland did vote Conservative but like the Daily Mail sometimes I like to generalise. My views on Scottish social and political history may be rather skewed as I was brought up in a family which was extremely left wing but I try (and sometimes fail) not to let that influence me too much. I can’t see this discussion reaching any kind of satisfying conclusion but onwards we shall trudge : )
Well, Karlo, I for one was born in time to vote in the 1979 General Election. My working life has been in West Fife and West Dunbartonshire, two parts of Scotland with exceptionally high levels of social deprivation, low life expectancy and persons in Incapacity Benefit. I have very clear recollections of the Miners’ Strike in 1984-85 – while the leadership in Yorkshire were wholly deluded, the fact remains that numerous viable Scottish pits were closed years before coal stocks were exhausted, for which Thatcher will never be forgiven. West Dunbartonshire is likewise littered with the remains of now-dead heavy industry; it may well be the case that some shipyards were uneconomical, but workforces were thrown on the scrap-heap.
Of course, as you point out, not everybody in a deprived area is automatically doomed to a short drug-filled life on benefits, and there are those who milk the system. However, many of us would rather see a proper safety net for the workless, and find the rhetoric of calling the unemployed “Scroungers” distasteful.
Finally, in 1951 and 1955 the Conservative Party had 35 and 36 MPs in Scotland. While it began to drop from there, when Margaret Thatcher entered Downing Street, the Tories had 22 Scottish MPs and 31% of the popular vote. By the end of eighteen years of Conservative Government, their share of the vote had dropped to 17%. It’s remained pretty stable since then – 15.8% in 2005, rising now to 16.7% and still in fourth place. That does kind of suggest that over 80% of the entire Scottish nation continues to reject the Conservative Party.
Also, Karlo
“Scotland being the country to the north of the UK that enjoys a disproportionately large share of public expenditure and is massively over represented in the House of Commons”.
The argument about rural transport subsidies for the Highland and Islands, to name but one, is rather too complex to summarise here, so I shall examine instead the second part of your statement.
According to the 2009 figures from the ONS, Scotland’s population is 8% of the total UK population. Scotland returns 59 MPs out of 650, a total of 9%. Some might therefore quibble about your use of “massively over represented”, but then who needs facts when you have prejudices, eh?
Neander
May 9th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
“Lashings of hypocrisy round here…and not just from the tory tabloids! I wonder how many of the contributors to this site were spluttering with indignation when Tony Blair got his 1997 landslide with less than 50% of the votes cast? No, I thought not”.
Nope, just your party-political points-scoring bias at work, again.
Many many many of us that voted Labour in 1997 did so in the hope that it would usher in electoral reform (PR).
We were disappointed then & in the 2 elections to come.
Hopefully this time it will happen.
But you’re simply misrepresenting the facts to pretend this is some sort of a new interest or a dodge to avoid being out of office.
The fact is Cameron did not win.
There are 2 possible outcomes here and until agreement is made or clearly cannot be come to then it is perfectly possible that the next Gov will not be one including the tory party.
Which would be both funny and satisfying.
How abouts we make the percentages into real numbers:
eligible voters in England = 38.2 million
no. of constituencies – 533
no. of voters per constituency = just under 72,000
eligible voters in Scotland = 3.86 million
no. of constituencies = 59
no. of voters per constituency = just over 65,000
Which means that Scotland has 5 seats too many or England has 54 too few. (Lucky Wales gets an MP for every 56,000 voters which allows it 8 extra seats and Northern Ireland has two extra constituencies )
So your absolutely right VOR Scotland is no longer massively over-represented (as it was up until 1999 when it had 72 MPs). Still I’m not sure what Scotland does to deserve those extra five seats. Oh yes – that’s right – it votes labour
Quite, quite marvellous, and I am crushed by you’re logic.
Just one minor point; the seats that cover the largest geographical areas, yet with relatively small electorates (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross, Argyll and Bute, Ross, Skye and Lochaber, and Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey) all returned a Liberal Democrat. To create northern Scottish seats with an electorate of 72,000 would require you to add Orkney, Shetland and Lewis to Caithness and Sutherland, the rest of the Western Isles to Ross and Skye and chop off the northern part of Argyll and Bute, creating geographically preposterous constituencies that no MP could serve.
Funnily enough Argyll and Bute already has just over 67,000 eligible voters. Glasgow North, on the other hand, has just over 51,000 eligible voters. Lucky Glasgow with six (labour voting) consituencies with an average of less than 60,000 voters each.
The Obama invocation on the Sun made me retch.
That will be a matter for the Boundary Commission then, whose deliberations in Scotland are currently chaired by High Court Judge Lord Woolman. I have known Steve Woolman for over thirty years and can assure you that he is no friend of the Labour Party; indeed his predecessor Robin McEwan was unquestionably a man of the right. Before that the post was held by Hazel Coscrove, who was not permitted to be involved in politics for about fifteen years, as she sat as a Sheriff. To suggest that any of these people would fix boundaries to suit the Labour Party is quite simply grotesque.
By the time of the next election, Glasgow South West might have received a bit of East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow, and Glasgow South might be extended into East Renfrewshire. If so, the political map is unlikely to change.
Incidentally, Glasgow returns seven MPs
By the way, what happened to all the calls for change?
Now we’ve got a fleeting opportunity for real change (to a parliament that represents the diverse interests of the country instead of two parties funded by big unions, big business and a few wealthy people) certain rags seem to have gone cold on the idea.
Apparently they didn’t really want change at all, just the same old system but with their preferred candidate in charge.
Oops! Glasgow does indeed return 7 MPs. I missed out Glasgow North West which has just under 61,000 eligible voters. It doesn’t change the average.
7 labour MPs for 417093 Glasgow voters (thats 1 MP for every 59585 eligible voters)
Buckinghamshire, on the other hand, has 7 Conservative MPs for 549022 voters (thats 1 MP for every 78,000 voters)
Karlo are you in favour of electoral reform?
If Gordon Brown REALLY wanted to keep the Tories out he would do two things: 1. Stand aside for a more conciliatory leader, say Ed Miliband and 2. Guarantee that there would a referendum on electoral reform within two years. But he won’t though, because he is obsessed with personal power. Like Ted Heath in 1974 he will march out of No. 10 in a massive strop and spend the next 25 years sulking on the backbenches.
Indeed I am
Do you like The Daily Mail because it’s condescending?
Looks like the LibDems have picked the ’shaft the torys’ option.
Cameron will get loose LibDem support for a while but no formal coalition agreement (he has zero chance of taking his party with him on that).
The torys can expect all the blame and LibDem opposition when things start to go their predictable horrible way.
Politics.
Bl*ody hell.
Clegg will regret not going for the PR option, I reckon & I expect we will all (those of us not sitting on several tens or a few hundred thousand in the bank) come to regret another vicious tory Gov.
How well Parliament will moderate the usual tory instincts remains to be seen.
Three men discussing various topics, one of them’s called Clegg? Wasn’t that the plot of Last of the Summer Wine?
@ Neander I think you spoke too soon.
Hmmmmm, all change again?
Brown’s off & cue a Libdem/Labour coalition?
Crouching Tiger etc…Yes, I did indeed. A slice of humble pie for me. I’ve just heard on the news that the Tories have made some offer re: PR to the Lib Dems. Being hungry for power and having just sniffed it they’ll be desperate not to let it slip away from them now. The DM will probably be having a good moan about all this tomorrow, but personally I think politics is more interesting right now than it’s been for years.
@ Neander I think that we can all agree on.
Disasterous hung parliament has suddenly morphed into “historic” hung parliament in the express!