The ‘Daily Express’ could put a positive slant on this story. Most of the gay asylum seekers will be from Muslim countries. And the DE, quite rightly in my opinion, campaigns against the rise of Islam in Britain. So when ‘liberals’ and leftists go on about how Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion these gay refugees from Islamic nations will be the ideal people to point out that the ‘liberals’ and leftists in question are talking complete and utter bollocks.
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It’s sort of shocking that a judge would say what he did, but of course the express selectively quoted him to make it sound even worse.
Of course, the underlining thread would seem to be that it should be Okay to persecute gays which is rather scary that can make the front page of a national newspaper (even the Excess).
Hi lady burglar. Nice to see you back.
I’ve noticed you often seem to agree with what someone else has written. Perhaps that makes you a typical tabloid reader.
How will they check that they are gay? You don’t. The essential point is that they are being persecuted.
Phil
You made the point that nearly every where else has missed on this.
You don’t have to prove you are gay to get asylum but that you are being persecuted for it (or other things).
‘Just’ being gay and coming from one of the countries that punish it, won’t be enough you will have to either have been persecuted in the past (and prove it) or be under (provable) threat of being persecuted if you return.
It has nothing to do with if you drink something brightly coloured or a pints or if you go to Kyle or Judas Priest concerts (which one of those has an out gay singer BTW?)
Banning homosexuality is a stupid law, but if you disagree with it, the correct response is to campaign for the law to be changed, or discreetly break it in private.
yes Mail Reader, that’s how the law was changed in this country and it took decades. However no-one was routinely facing death because of it. Prison and suicide were more common and gay-bashings are still an unacceptable occurance in this country. I think this is the problem,: people just don’t get what it is to be gay (they think it’s a lifestyle choice) or it’s just about the act of sex, no it’s more than that. It’s a fundamental part of your being, just as it is for hetereosexuals and to have to go back to a country who will try and kill you for just feeling like that deserves a bit of sympathy I think.
Lord Hope was more sensible than the Express’s quote make out: ‘In short, what is protected is the applicant’s right to live freely and openly as a gay
man. That involves a wide spectrum of conduct, going well beyond conduct designed to attract sexual partners and maintain relationships with them. To illustrate the point with trivial stereotypical examples from British society: just as
male heterosexuals are free to enjoy themselves playing rugby, drinking beer and talking about girls with their mates, so male homosexuals are to be free to enjoy themselves going to Kylie concerts, drinking exotically coloured cocktails and talking about boys with their straight female mates. Mutatis mutandis – and in many cases the adaptations would obviously be great – the same must apply to other societies. In other words, gay men are to be as free as their straight equivalents in the society concerned to live their lives in the way that is natural to them as gay men, without the fear of persecution.’ paragraph 78 of the judgment, available at http://www.supremecourt.gov.uk/docs/UKSC_2009_0054_Judgment.pdf The judge makes a rhetorical hole, and the Express falls right into it.
@lady burglar…thanks for your support, it’s reassuring that this site isn’t completely dominated by ‘liberals’ and lefties. And have you noticed how the lefties on this site wax lyrical about homophobia in the tabloids and yet say not a word against Islamic homophobia? Their hypocrisy seems to know no limit.
Oh and btw everybody, hope you all saw the front cover of ‘The Times’ today about the woman in Iran who is going to be stoned to death for adultery. Another example of what a charming religion Islam is. If she does get stoned then perhaps CHARLIE you could attend the execution as a representative of progressive left-wing opinion…before the wretched woman was stoned you could give her a little lecture about how lucky she was to live under Islamic rule and how outrageous it is that some newspapers in Britain dare to suggest that Islam is not a very nice religion. Lefties, don’t you just love ‘em?
Not that I disagree that they shouldn’t be granted asylum, but I think that the judge’s sterotype of heterosexual male behaviour isn’t a good one – drinking beer is something you’d be wise to do discretely in Iran. Could open the door to loads of Iranian a
lager-louts claiming asylum.
When did this turn into an islam issue? So if it were a Muslim adulterer fighting for asylum to save her life that would be ok? No, you’d just blame it on her choice of lifestyle and religion. The Express don’t want any asylum seekers the implication being that no, you should just go back home and behave. As much of the religious persecution is from Christians but that’s ignored.
I blame the cloth cap wearing, brown ale drinking Labour government. Not that the top hat wearing, champagne drinking Tories will do anything about it; their multi-coloured cocktail drinking, gay Lib Dem partners will stop them!
Neander, the headline is saying far more about what the paper thinks of homosexuality than any of these comments have said about their attitudes to islam.
” it’s reassuring that this site isn’t completely dominated by ‘liberals’ and lefties” It’s also reassuring when you pop up and try and do the little dance you always do and interesting that no ‘right’ thinking person has yet explained why these that papers so full of lies and untruths need their defense other than ‘freedom of speech’. You’re not providing balance. You’re just being crazy.
You are right Neander. There are many sources of cruelty and injustice in the world.
You are wrong though if you think that we shouldn’t try and address any of these injustices if we canot address them all. Speaking personally, I’d rather focus on the inhumanity carried out in my name rather than that carried out by a bunch of beardie whack jobs who hate everything I stand for. YMMV.
” Another example of what a charming religion Islam can be”. There. Fixed that for you. Can’t have you wandering the streets all undone and catching stupid now can we?
Surely the Daily Express would love to live in a strict Islamic state- no women in positions of power, no binge drinkers and no gays! It’d be right up their alley!
This is biggest piece of homophobic crap and nasty stereotyping I’ve seen in national paper for a number of years.
Nasty, plain nasty.
And read the Daily Mail.
The ‘Daily Express’ could put a positive slant on this story. Most of the gay asylum seekers will be from Muslim countries. And the DE, quite rightly in my opinion, campaigns against the rise of Islam in Britain. So when ‘liberals’ and leftists go on about how Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion these gay refugees from Islamic nations will be the ideal people to point out that the ‘liberals’ and leftists in question are talking complete and utter bollocks.
I dunno if that’s necessarily true. Gay people have a pretty hard time in a lot of African countries, which are more generally Christian that Muslim.
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It’s sort of shocking that a judge would say what he did, but of course the express selectively quoted him to make it sound even worse.
Of course, the underlining thread would seem to be that it should be Okay to persecute gays which is rather scary that can make the front page of a national newspaper (even the Excess).
Thanks Neander. I’m sure your views on the topic will help save lives.
Are they implying that Wayne Rooney is too stupid to tell the difference between the World Cup and a baby?
It’s a shame there’s no way to put a positive slant on your posts Neander, which are well versed in complete and utter bollocks
I agree totally with Neander. Anyway How will they check that they are gay ?(please don’t go into detail)
Hi lady burglar. Nice to see you back.
I’ve noticed you often seem to agree with what someone else has written. Perhaps that makes you a typical tabloid reader.
How will they check that they are gay? You don’t. The essential point is that they are being persecuted.
Phil
You made the point that nearly every where else has missed on this.
You don’t have to prove you are gay to get asylum but that you are being persecuted for it (or other things).
‘Just’ being gay and coming from one of the countries that punish it, won’t be enough you will have to either have been persecuted in the past (and prove it) or be under (provable) threat of being persecuted if you return.
It has nothing to do with if you drink something brightly coloured or a pints or if you go to Kyle or Judas Priest concerts (which one of those has an out gay singer BTW?)
Daily mail and Express have the same “NOW” headlines.
The Express is quite right.
Banning homosexuality is a stupid law, but if you disagree with it, the correct response is to campaign for the law to be changed, or discreetly break it in private.
yes Mail Reader, that’s how the law was changed in this country and it took decades. However no-one was routinely facing death because of it. Prison and suicide were more common and gay-bashings are still an unacceptable occurance in this country. I think this is the problem,: people just don’t get what it is to be gay (they think it’s a lifestyle choice) or it’s just about the act of sex, no it’s more than that. It’s a fundamental part of your being, just as it is for hetereosexuals and to have to go back to a country who will try and kill you for just feeling like that deserves a bit of sympathy I think.
If anyone near me is listening to the abomination that is Heart FM, then I think it is quite right that ‘they’ turn off their ruddy radios.
Lord Hope was more sensible than the Express’s quote make out: ‘In short, what is protected is the applicant’s right to live freely and openly as a gay
man. That involves a wide spectrum of conduct, going well beyond conduct designed to attract sexual partners and maintain relationships with them. To illustrate the point with trivial stereotypical examples from British society: just as
male heterosexuals are free to enjoy themselves playing rugby, drinking beer and talking about girls with their mates, so male homosexuals are to be free to enjoy themselves going to Kylie concerts, drinking exotically coloured cocktails and talking about boys with their straight female mates. Mutatis mutandis – and in many cases the adaptations would obviously be great – the same must apply to other societies. In other words, gay men are to be as free as their straight equivalents in the society concerned to live their lives in the way that is natural to them as gay men, without the fear of persecution.’ paragraph 78 of the judgment, available at http://www.supremecourt.gov.uk/docs/UKSC_2009_0054_Judgment.pdf The judge makes a rhetorical hole, and the Express falls right into it.
This headline is just as misleading as the 1930’s Judea declares war on Germany headline!
Nothing has changed in 80 years
@lady burglar…thanks for your support, it’s reassuring that this site isn’t completely dominated by ‘liberals’ and lefties. And have you noticed how the lefties on this site wax lyrical about homophobia in the tabloids and yet say not a word against Islamic homophobia? Their hypocrisy seems to know no limit.
Oh and btw everybody, hope you all saw the front cover of ‘The Times’ today about the woman in Iran who is going to be stoned to death for adultery. Another example of what a charming religion Islam is. If she does get stoned then perhaps CHARLIE you could attend the execution as a representative of progressive left-wing opinion…before the wretched woman was stoned you could give her a little lecture about how lucky she was to live under Islamic rule and how outrageous it is that some newspapers in Britain dare to suggest that Islam is not a very nice religion. Lefties, don’t you just love ‘em?
Not that I disagree that they shouldn’t be granted asylum, but I think that the judge’s sterotype of heterosexual male behaviour isn’t a good one – drinking beer is something you’d be wise to do discretely in Iran. Could open the door to loads of Iranian a
lager-louts claiming asylum.
When did this turn into an islam issue? So if it were a Muslim adulterer fighting for asylum to save her life that would be ok? No, you’d just blame it on her choice of lifestyle and religion. The Express don’t want any asylum seekers the implication being that no, you should just go back home and behave. As much of the religious persecution is from Christians but that’s ignored.
Too right Neander, I’d love to visit, it would combine two of my favourite things – Iran and stoning people for adultery.
Err I was one of the ones campaigning about protection and Asylum for homosexuals who are in fear of prosecution.
This isn’t about Islamic homophobia infact the case also featured a man from Cameroon which is 40% Indigenous, 40% christian and only 20% Muslim.
The fact the paper has flippantly written the most nasty headline and followed it up with an an out of context quote just about sums the paper up.
I’m Gay that headline offends me.
I blame the cloth cap wearing, brown ale drinking Labour government. Not that the top hat wearing, champagne drinking Tories will do anything about it; their multi-coloured cocktail drinking, gay Lib Dem partners will stop them!
Anti immigration, anti Islam and anti gay all in one headline, if only it also involved house prices it would be a DE full house.
I hope someone complains to the PCC about this pile of shite.
Neander, the headline is saying far more about what the paper thinks of homosexuality than any of these comments have said about their attitudes to islam.
” it’s reassuring that this site isn’t completely dominated by ‘liberals’ and lefties” It’s also reassuring when you pop up and try and do the little dance you always do and interesting that no ‘right’ thinking person has yet explained why these that papers so full of lies and untruths need their defense other than ‘freedom of speech’. You’re not providing balance. You’re just being crazy.
Neander,
Just because we don’t like the Daily Mail (and the Express) it doesn’t mean any of us “love” nor “support” the darker sides of Islam.
Please assimilate this knowledge, so that your posts can move on from your incorrect assumptions. Thanks!
You are right Neander. There are many sources of cruelty and injustice in the world.
You are wrong though if you think that we shouldn’t try and address any of these injustices if we canot address them all. Speaking personally, I’d rather focus on the inhumanity carried out in my name rather than that carried out by a bunch of beardie whack jobs who hate everything I stand for. YMMV.
P.S. They have to turn off our radios because Call Me Dave couldn’t be bothered to actually act as an opposition, waving through all kinds of crap.
” Another example of what a charming religion Islam can be”. There. Fixed that for you. Can’t have you wandering the streets all undone and catching stupid now can we?
Oh my.
‘We’ are going to be over-run by ‘foreign queers’ now is it?
I sometimes wonder just how low these DE scum-bags will go, but they never fail to surprise me.
Interesting little trot-out for the Islamophobia, talk about irrelevant & ridiculous (although illuminating).
There was even that one who used to look after Alf Garnett.
Checked all the BBC boxes..
Surely the Daily Express would love to live in a strict Islamic state- no women in positions of power, no binge drinkers and no gays! It’d be right up their alley!
“Anyway How will they check that they are gay ?(please don’t go into detail)” Ok, in short: Moisture and blood pressure detectors, pornography.