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Posted by Merk

August 5th, 2010

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38 Comments

  1. Tony

    So.. This farmer has managed to import 96 cloned cows without DEFRA noticing… Since they have said only 2 have entered this country. The farmer, then, is probably going to jail.

    An alternative theory is the mail is making shit up again.

    Anyway who cares? A cloned cow is.. A cow. The offspring of a cloned cow is… A cow. The way some of the media are reacting farmers are sewing together body parts, waiting for a convenient lightning bolt then screaming “It’s alive!!!”

  2. Charlie

    They’re really obsessed with this cloned cows stuff, this is four days running now isn’t it? No wonder they call this time of year the ’silly season’ for newspapers.

  3. Bob

    Actually it’s not entirely misleading, the 2 “clones” were bulls, the 96 cows were offspring from said bulls.

  4. Phil

    A crafty little headline. The casual reader will assume “CLONE” is the same as “CLONED”. Once again, the Mail is managing to mislead without actually lying.

  5. Andy McDandy

    On the Channel 5 news the other day, a vox pops asked people if they were happy to drink ‘cloned’ milk. One person said “Oh no, it’s unnatural”. Well, so’s pasteurisation.

    Tweet reported in The Times, 03/08/10 – “I’d be very worried if all glasses of milk started looking the same”. Lulz.

    I have a feeling the DM is making cloned cows this summer’s new age travellers/’demon dogs’/whatever other invented scare story.

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  7. TedB

    So the Mail tracked this guy down did they… or did they just watch the TV news last night….

    Oh and let’s not be bothered with the small fact that produced from cloned – sorry the off spring of cloned – animals is on sale almost everywhere but in the UK and there’s no proof that there’s anything wrong with it… Let’s just make it sound scary, shall we.

  8. Phil

    Nice of them to splash the farmer’s face on the front page, thus giving him equal status with Raoul Moat. Sorry, what heinous crime is he supposed to have committed?

  9. Tom (iow)

    I expect the Mail Frankesnstein-Food lot have a mental picture of a big scary cloning machine, like somethign out of The Fly, that you put a cow in and it makes another one by some kind of black magic.

  10. JSwindle

    what an evil modern prometheus this farmer chap is….I’d certainly hate it if every glass of milk looked the same.

  11. NeilH

    The non-story of the year so far. I suppose they can’t bring themselves to print the real stories. For example ‘Tories to destroy society through swingeing cuts in public spending and massive unemployment (again)’.

  12. Mail Man

    Eating cloned cows or their offspring and/or drinking their milk may well be perfectly safe.

    TBH I do not care about that.

    I have a feeling big business & the famers will conspire to force this in the food-chain regardless of what anyone thinks.

    But I do want it all absolutely and rigorously labelled so I can make the choice and avoid that stuff like the plague.

    If others want it or do not care & are happy to buy it then go ahead.

    I just want to see exactly what I and my family are eating and make a fully informed choice.

  13. ms morbo

    i saw this man interviewed on the news two days ago. felt rather sorry for him, he got a bit confused by the legislation (and it is JUST legislation, there is no health risk) bought the cattle off someone in the states who reassured him any meat from their offspring would be completely above board, and admits he made a fuck-up. no one got hurt, or will get hurt by this, and he’s going to have to lose his farm stock over it and start again. i think that’s sufficiant as far as punishment goes, he doesn’t need the mail to turn him in a mad scientist/farmer villan.
    (there may be an issue if he has sold on breeding stock to other farmers, but again, this isn’t the public at large, and is going to dealt with by the authorites and effect him finacially. still no need for the mail to wade in and start handing out pitchforks.)

  14. Mail Man

    Totally agree about the more important news stories tho.

  15. Steve

    From a Scottish perspective, It has served to keep the usual fare of “Record passes in dumbed down PC (They’re giving them away in the cornflakes,not like my day when you got he belt for sneezing) education. Here’s a picture of some happy blonde teenage girls from large houses.” off the front page.

    (Did I miss anything??)

  16. Tom

    They’re not very good clones, I mean look at that picture, they’re all different patterns.

  17. Neil

    have they decided whether clone cow milk cures or causes cancer yet? we need to know…

  18. Phil

    “have they decided whether clone cow milk cures or causes cancer yet?” Judging by the negative tone they’ve decided it causes cancer. They’re probably just waiting for some scrap of information that appears to support the idea – however tenuous – before running the story.

  19. Jake

    Clone cows are brought to the country as breeders. They’re bulls.

    There’s nothing wrong with eating the offspring of cloned cows anyway (happened in America for years), but it rarely ever happens.

    The offspring of the cloned bulls, are milk cows. And are not slaughtered for meet. Only two offsprings of clones have been slaughtered for meet in the history of British farming.

    The theory that there’s anything wrong with this sort of thing is tired conservatism. Terrified of progression.

    USA have been using these techniques for years.

  20. Jake

    If it was up to the Mail, we’d all still be eating Roasted Swan, Pheasent, Powdered Eggs, and boiled sweets

  21. Si

    Funny article in the mail today. Attacking the police for “bullying law abiding pensioners” and “overreacting”.

    The pictures actually look pretty bad, until you read what actually happened.

    The guy was pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt. As the officer was writing a ticket, he tried to drive off, and knocked over another policeman, who was walking around the car.

    After knocking over the policeman, he sped off. He was chased by the police for 18 miles, but refused to stop.

    They finally stopped him with a Stinger, but he refused to open his doors. So they were forced to smash in the window with a truncheon and dragged him out.

    What’s the Daily Mail’s excuse for all of this?

    1: He ran over the policeman by accident, because of a dodgy clutch

    2: He sped off, as he had been ill recently, and was scared that he’d have a stroke, if he continued talking to the police.

    3: He saw the blue lights behind him, but thought that the police were giving him an escort home, so didn’t stop.

    Why are the Mail defending him you may ask?

    Well, he’s a Range Rover driver, with a £300′000 home, and private number plate, living in Barkshire………!

  22. NJH

    There’s a school of thought which says it’s already been done with humans. For example, is there any noticeable difference between Paul “Vagina Monologues” Dacre and Peter “Mentally” Hill?

  23. Mail Man

    Jake
    August 6th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    “The theory that there’s anything wrong with this sort of thing is tired conservatism. Terrified of progression”

    Nope, I’m not terrified of anything and I’m not being in the least bit conservative.
    What I do demand is the right to make an informed choice, however much you may disagree with it, of whether or not I want to eat this stuff.

    Jake
    August 6th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    “USA have been using these techniques for years”

    Yeah just like they’ve been injecting hormones into cattle for years…..and if I’m given the choice I wouldn’t eat any of that crap either.

    But then that is the point of all of this, freedom of choice is a great political slogan – right up until it gets in the way of making an extra few pennies profit.
    Then you’re just being irrational & a Luddite.

    They can carry on with this if they insist, people are turning off meat as it is and due to the climate damage our (almost like a religious faith in some) ‘meat eating’ is doing less meat consumption would not be a bad thing.

  24. Fruitbat

    Mail Man, what exactly is your objection to eating meat or drinking milk from the offspring of cloned animals, since you have so far given us not one reason at all? If there is nothing proven to be wrong with it, then what is your reason? If you just say “I’m not comfortable with it” or similar, then go off on a tangent about big business and hormones despite them being an unrelated issue, then how are we to think, other than that you are buying into ‘tired conservatism’, to coin someone else’s phrase?

  25. Lavengro

    Been away from this hallowed portal, and the DM for quite sometime, did wonders for my blood pressure, but in a fit of sheer boredom today (09:08:2010) , I relapsed, and boy am I sorry I did. The latest offering smacks of racism and xenophobia and is to with the ethnicity of birth mothers in England’s hospitals.

    I’ve tried to post my complaints but not getting past the mods, as usual, so here’s what I said in my last effort:

    “How many times have I got to try and post on here, mods? The tone of this article, and the linking of the statistics for the ethnicity of mothers giving birth with immigration is a disgrace. The headline is totally misleading as it’s only in North West London, and Newham that the alarmist headline possibly applies. The whole thing smacks of racism and xenophobia, and you should know that not all DM readers are fanatic white supremacists.”

    The readers’ comments would tend to indicate otherwise.

  26. JohnD

    Not sure what to make of this cloned cattle story, though I suppose Paul Dacre and his sons of fun want me to be running about my house screaming blue murder. I don’t see it as controversial as the Mail likes to think. Furthermore, I’d like to make informed choices about what goes into my stomach, and I doubt the Mail’s going to help me.

    I’ve been coming to this site for more than four years now – I suppose I’m a bit of a leftist saddo – and I really enjoy it. I certainly like the idea that I’m not the only person who thinks that much of the UK press is lacking.

    However, I’d be even happier if this front page was updated more frequently, this site’s real action now takes place on the forum and I stopped contributing to it a couple of years ago, although I still read its contents. Give us casual Mail bashers more of what we want, Merk. I’d be most grateful.

  27. Lavengro

    Revealed: The UK maternity units in which only 1 in 10 mothers is of white British origin
    By Jack Doyle
    Last updated at 8:28 AM on 9th August 2010

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1301338/New-figures-reveal-barely-half-new-mothers-parts-suburban-England-white-British-origin.html#ixzz0w7tROD11

    This is what my earlier post was about, not cloned meat, I know, but I just think this is totally unacceptable journalism, and as the comments and rankings have shown panders to racism and xenophobia.

    I just submitted this comment, as none of my previous posts have been published. freedom of speech .. NOT!

    “Still you spineless mods haven’t dared to publish my comments. What the DM is doing here is nothing less than pandering to racism and xenophobia and is absolutely disgusting. If the majority of the comments the mods have allowed to be published are typical of current opinion in the UK, then it is truly a sad place, populated by retards. I’m entirely with the red arrows on this one, and I’m off to Mailwatch. There are some aspects of DM’s editorial policy that are absolutely despicable.”

  28. Mail Man

    Fruitbat

    Do I have to provide a reason?
    I’m very suspicious of our agro-industry (US agro-industry too).
    It is indeed ‘big business’.
    To say so is not to go off at an unrelated tangent as much of British agriculture is indeed ‘industrial’
    (and I will even agree that sometimes it is for very good reason).

    The American experience with the routine use of hormones with cattle (like our routine use once of antibiotics in poultry) is a perfectly valid example of that industry claiming safety at various points but which is highly debateable – and I want to be able to choose to have nothing to do with it for me & mine.

    I want this stuff properly and clearly labelled.
    I want the choice.
    You go ahead if you want, I prefer not to.
    Just like I do not want and will never knowingly buy GM food stuffs either.

    You can call it ‘conservatism’ if you like, I call it reasonable caution.
    I think we’ve seen enough safe claims from big business turn sour to warrant more than a little scepticism.

    I cannot understand why anyone would object to clear labelling – other than they know full well that a major chuink of their target market would avoid it like the plague.

    Which, when it coimes down to it, is just tough.

  29. JSwindle

    Hows about why are cows being cloned anyway? Could it be anything to do with consumers demanding cheap food? Just taking the price of milk in the country as a.. thing to look at. It’s so cheap it costs dairy farmers money to sell it to supermarkets. To counter this I’d imagine they’d want to increase yield in milk by any means, as well as meat.

    If there is a story here I’d suggest it could of angled itself towards the way that British farmers are paid for the job they do rather than go for cheap scares. Many see no profit whatsoever, which is why many go out of business and their land becomes part of that ‘big business’ monstrosity noboby likes yet most benefit from, and just from personal experience I know of two farmers who have commited suicide through the stress of it all.

    I also don’t see cloning as that far removed from artificial insemination to be that worried about. If anything could imagine that by creating cows on a genetic level even more health checks are in place. It’s not like its all mixed together in a bucket is it.

    Just a thought. I used to be a vegetarian, but I’m all right noooooow-ooooo!

  30. Phil

    “why are cows being cloned anyway?”
    From what I understand, one reason is because a decent breeding male can only “service” so many females in its lifetime. Cloning is a way of extending this number without the original bull having to “do the business” itself.
    I don’t know what the negative effects of this are supposed to be, if indeed there are any, but perhaps this has no relevance anyway; to the Mail it’s just another convenient scare story. Contrast this with the BSE story where there really was a problem, but the tabloids seemed less concerned with people dying a horrible death than with defending good British beef against the EU ban on export.

  31. JSwindle

    As long as it’s not because the Emperor is raising a secret bovine army I’m happy. I’d be happier if meat and milk cost an honest amount, though this does not mean I’m like the millions of others who enjoy cheap meat because I’ll raise a hoof and admit that I very much am. Hoof? Hang on a minute – those bastards!

    Isn’t our current and asymetrical government reducing the amount of food labelling, also?

  32. Si

    Mail Man

    Being scared of things such as cloning, or GM crops, for science-defying, mythical reasons, is your basic primal tory fear of progression.

    If you have a scientific reason, fine. Take it up with the various academics around the world who think there’s nothing wrong with it.

    Seriously. The theory that re-producing the exact same DNA combination is going to endanger anyone is hilarious.

    Every strand of DNA is identical to the original version.

  33. Mail Man

    “why are cows being cloned anyway?”

    The one theme I heard coming up again and again when this was being discussed on the radio was speed.
    It’s true artificial insemination is the most commonly used method of keeping cows permanently rearing young (so they produce as much milk).

    Here too there’s a perversion of the natural order with cows in some countries pumped full of hormones, some synthetic, so that they permanently produce milk. Hello Monsanto & the US, again.

    Of course there’s a profit motive, it might mean a few extra pennies.
    But to hell with stuff like genetic diversity or creating identikit herds across huge chunks of the globe all potentially susceptible to the same illnesses and disease, eh?

  34. JSwindle

    Yeah, but conversely they could all be immune to the same sort of disease too.

    Cows have been purposely bred for various purposes for thousands of years – they’re nothing like the beasts that used to exist. Man has always been tinkering with them since farming was adopted. And the cows in that Male expose all seem to have quite different patterns on them – I don’t see 96 identical cows, to bring the issue back to the paper in question.

  35. Mail Man

    JSwindle

    I think you’re ouyt there on your own if you’re going to suggest a reduced genetic diversity is a good thing.

    As you say we’ve been doing this already for decades if not centuries, cloning is however a step forward in that by several orders of magnitude.

    If you want it then work away and enjoy, there will be enough of the rest of us creating a major row over this both in the UK & in the EU to ensure that we get full labelling so we can make the choice.

    The current Gov is already trying to block & dilute the labelling regs, we all know why.
    They know a properly informed public won’t touch this stuff with a barge-pole.

    Like I said, freedom of choice is great as a political slogan, right up until it gets in the way of someone trying to screw a few more pennies profit out of the enterprise.

    But be assurred, if ‘we’ lose then all that will happen is yet another drop in meat/animal products consumption and a further rise in veggy-ism.

  36. JSwindle

    I didn’t say it was a good thing, but I can now see why the Mail went with the story.

  37. Stuart Helmet

    I took my dog for a walk in the country last week and was told that this mad-frankenstein-farmer lives nearby and that THOSE COWS were running around lose in the firld I was walking by. Of course, I have shot the dog and now am terrified that I will wake up, screaming, in the middle of the night having contracted that disease you get from clones – frankensteinitis.It give you cancer I’m told. NoW will want to buy my story, I know.

  38. JSwindle

    And there you have it. The Mail went with the story because it would provoke a silly and dispropotionate responce, even from the funnies.

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