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I'm hypnotised by that Winner avatar.

Textbook Migrationwatch bollocks, but look how they're given the respectability of being called a 'think-tank' rather than a couple of racists in a shed, which is what they really are.


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I'm amazed that Slacky and Greeny are now being accused of being the lying government toe-rags. Only Patrick seems to have any long-term memory at all:

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How come so many of the comments here are written by people who don't know that MigrationWatch is an anti-immigration think-tank? It has nothing to do with the government!

- Patrick, Bristol, 28/8/2008 11:17


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Haha, excellent. I love the idea that the government back MigrationWatch, an organisation devoted to criticisng government immigration policies and which has been behind most of the outlandishly damaging headlines I've seen.

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Is this the same lot who predicted that only 13,000 or so would settle here when they joined the EU,?? and they expect us to believe them AGAIN

- John, UK, 28/8/2008 8:59


Er, no, it isn't. That was the Home Office's prediction.

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Trust me, I work for the Home Office, Uuugh, sorry Think Tank, with a lot of short haired, short legged wimmin! (Short on brains as well)!

- S D, UK, 28/8/2008 10:07


I'm sure Sir Andrew Green will recognise himself in that description. :D


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Modesty really should prevent me from blowing my own trumpet but this is too good to miss:

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Last October the same reporter said that half the Poles in the UK were planning to stay for good. In January 2008 he said that a quarter were planning to stay. Mr Slack specializes in throwing around his dubious figures like confetti at a wedding, leaving his readers none the wiser, nor better informed.

- Callum Durrutti, London, 28/8/2008 09:21


on

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rtage.html


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How 5,000 career crooks always escape a jail sentence when they reoffend

James has started early on this one. A figure in the headline.

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Criminals who have already served more than ten jail sentences are being routinely let-off with community punishments when they offend again, it has emerged.

Righty oh.

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Figures obtained from the Ministry of Justice show the result is the equivalent of 5,000 burglars, thieves and other convicts a year escaping with a slap on the wrist.

"Community punishments" = "slap on the wrist". Gotcha.

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The total has more than doubled in five years as the courts - under pressure from the Government - struggle to cope with record prison over-crowding.

In black and white world, over-crowding could be the only possible reason.

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Rather than send some of the worst repeat offenders to jail, they are handing out community penalties instead.

The revelations came on a day when ministers were forced to admit 36,661 inmates have been released from jail early to ease overcrowding since last June.

Of these, 111 are on the run after breaching the terms of their release.

111 / 36,611 = 0.3% in 16 months.
Not exactly an epidemic is it now.

It doesn't really matter how many have been released early anyway, it's about whether they reoffend.

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The Conservatives promised to scrap both the early release scheme, and the automatic right of many inmates to walk free at the halfway point of their sentence.

Tory justice spokesman Nick Herbert said they would have to 'earn' their release by proving they no longer pose a threat to society.

1. How do you "prove" you're no longer a threat. Another genius idea by the Tories
2. Don't prisoners have to do that now, or are we led to believe that they just roll a dice when deciding who to release. The fact it's been 36,611 not 36,500 or 37,000 suggests there is some planning involved.

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The figures detailing the type of offender receiving community punishments will be a huge embarrassment to the Ministry of Justice, which is desperate to promote the penalty as a 'tough' alternative to prison.

How does that even make sense?

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They are intended to stop less serious offenders from falling into a life of crime. But the figures reveal they are now being routinely used for even the most determined, repeat convict.

What is "routinely". And what if they are, does it work? Oh wait, Slacky article, we're not gonna get fair and balanced. Notice how "community punishments" was never defined either.


Then some rent-a-quotes.


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A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: 'We will always provide enough prison places for serious offenders, those who should be behind bars: the most dangerous, the seriously persistent, and the most violent.

'Prison is the right place for such people.

'However, prison is not always the right answer for less serious offenders.

'In some of these cases a tough community sentence can be more effective than a short prison sentence - more effective in terms of rehabilitating offenders, turning them away from crime and therefore giving greater protection to the public.'

Oh. so it's not always as the headline demands then, since the worst prisoners will stay there.


Logic dictates that if someone has been to jail 10 times and is still re-offending, then it's not working. Of course in mail land the solution is just to shove them in forever (or more preferably, kill them to death).

An argument against jail might be that since 99.7% of offenders are complying with their release conditions, it's obviously working to an extent. The best way to measure the success is to sort out the reoffender rates.


But then the justice system will never win.
If we jail everyone it'll be "too much cost!!".
If we don't it'll be "no justice!!"
If we bring back the death penalty it'll be cost, and just wait until the first wrongful conviction comes in...


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Criminals who have already served more than ten jail sentences are being routinely let-off with community punishments when they offend again, it has emerged.


If people have been in prison more than ten times then surely that's a sign that prison isn't doing anything for them. So surely it's a good thing that the MoJ are trying other things?


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The yobs who commit one offence every second

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An incident of yobbish behaviour took place every second last year.


Oh noes!

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Police recorded 3.9million acts of anti-social behaviour - such as criminal damage and graffiti - in England and Wales.


3.9 milli.. hang on, there are 31.5 million seconds in one year

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But Government researchers say only 11 per cent of such offences are actually reported to officers - pushing the true total to 35million.


Ahhh. So it's not one crime per second. It's one crime per 8 seconds. Easy mistake.

Luckily some government researchers, who the Daily Mail and particularly James Slack always believe and have never questioned, speculate that it's more.

Fucking hypocrite.


And the proof is right here:

Labour 'smeared independent statisticians' over report on TRUE number of foreign workers in Britain

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Labour was last night accused of a 'disgraceful' attempt to 'bully' independent statisticians who revealed uncomfortable truths about the number of foreign workers in the UK.

Senior party figures launched a vicious whispering campaign against the Office of Nationals Statistics after it released figures showing a surge of 214,000 in the number of non-UK born people working here as the country slid into recession.

The data made a mockery of Gordon Brown's promise to create 'British jobs for British workers', as unemployment among UK-born people soared to a 12-year high.

But, instead of debating the ONS's report, ministers launched a behind closed doors smear campaign against the Whitehall statisticians.




So let's see if I've got this.

When "government officials" say that crime is higher than official figures, they're right, to be quoted and praised.
When "the government" says that crime is lower than official figures, they're wrong, to be burned alive, the lying liars.


And you know what the best bit is... I'm surprised Slack didn't implode after breaking the space continuum with that second story.

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Last night, ministers - who have been repeatedly criticised for manipulating or 'spinning' ONS statistics - were attacked for their tactics.

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Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said: 'The Government is utterly hypocritical when it comes to using official statistics. If the news is bad, they want it buried. If it's good, they want it all over the front page.


You can very easily replace the bolded bits with "daily mail" or "james slack".


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Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch UK, said: 'It is astonishing that the ONS should be attacked for setting out the facts of the case.


Yes it is. Which is what Slack does every fucking immigration article - attacks anyone who doesn't agree that immigration is dire.


... you get my point...


And of course the commentors lap it up: "the truth hurts" and attacks on anyone who suggests that immigration isn't going to make the country explode.

Getting paid to lie, and when others lie, getting paid to attack with absolutely no shame of the massive hypocrisy. What a job.


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You know skimming back over this thread, my contributions have been rather extensive 8)

What annoys me is it's so very easy to pull most of his articles apart. They're that badly written, and that full of holes, and yet the maillites look past all the hypocrisy and confusion and just read "immigration is evil, deport all immigrants".

He doesn't even have to try. He can just make it up as he goes, throw in some random figures and be home by lunchtime. I bet he gets paid a heap more than I do. It's frustrating.


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Preacher of hate hits the jackpot: Bin Laden's man in UK set for huge human rights damages... and guess who pays\

No, not a spoof headline but one of Slacky's very own.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -pays.html


Except they won't get any.


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Gosh and darn! My last comment was wrong, he got £2,500 not the megabucks Slacky originally forecast causing popping veins in the brains of Mail readers up and down this fine country.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ights.html


The article has been rewritten but the apoplectic rage from the readers are still there.


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Today's effort

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941

"proving" that Britain is more dangerous than South Africa at least spends some of the article explaining why the statistics may be flawed.

To save anybody reading it, I can tell you that even by Slack's standards it's woefully bad journalism and piss easy to take apart.

Comments seem to be split between those who are telling him to come off it and those who believe it because they want to, blaming the usual suspects.


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Today's effort

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941

"proving" that Britain is more dangerous than South Africa at least spends some of the article explaining why the statistics may be flawed.

To save anybody reading it, I can tell you that even by Slack's standards it's woefully bad journalism and piss easy to take apart.

Comments seem to be split between those who are telling him to come off it and those who believe it because they want to, blaming the usual suspects.


It takes it apart itself halfway through, but it's already too late by then.


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Whoops :oops:

I made a comment on the front page attacking a poster for suggesting the Mails story was comparing the UK to the rest of the world when the headline suggested it was just comparing us with Europe. Seems odd that the Mail has chosen to play down a scare story in the headline :?

Anyhow, these two bits stand out:
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But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.


New Home Secretary Alan Johnson is to make his first major speech on crime today

In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.

There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.


Obviously, knife crime is a serious issue and needs sorting, but 921 murders out of ~60,000,000 isn't that terrible

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Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning.


Who are these 'Experts' and where are your stats James old boy?


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Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning.


Who are these 'Experts' and where are your stats James old boy?


The Mail would blame swine flu on the new licensing laws.


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Lessons about wife-beating at five: In the week Harriet Harman takes charge, yet another feminist initiative

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Feminist agenda: Under controversial plans, schoolboys will be taught not to beat their partners or any other female


teaching kids that abuse in a relationship is wrong is both feminist and contrversial now?

typical figure manipulation from slack, talking about how the number of men who are victims of violence is much greater (and thus more of a problem than "wife beating" [thoughs are slacks own patronsing quote marks]) whilst completely ignoring that the lesson plan relates specifically to domestic violence.

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It comes despite a separate Whitehall action plan on youth crime last month warning that girls needed to be targeted with special lessons to stop them being the aggressors in violent crimes - not the victim.


why is that such a surprise? domestic violence is wisely being treated as a seperate issue, its more complex and delicate as many children will be witnessing it at home, and some of them will be as young as 5, so it makes sense to tackle the issue early (and also makes stupid the suggestion that this is something kids should be taught about "at home").

gah, sorry, i should do a more comprohensive take down of this but that artical is just making me really fucking pissed off.


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