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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:45 pm 
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This just in:

The poverty of the argument against the IDS welfare reform

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z1kHiyh2cz

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The notion that poor people cannot be 'undeserving' simply because they are poor exposes the amorality at the core of the church's position. It means that it draws no distinction between poor people who are honest and poor people who are dishonest; or between poor people who choose to work and poor people who choose to be idle. It draws no distinction simply because they are poor.

Yet moral choices are a key feature of being human. By its opposition to the IDS reforms, the church is showing once again that its treats the poor as if they were less than human – as an entire class apart. It reserves moral expectations solely for the better-off. And once again, it reveals the absolute fetish it has made out of poverty.

Far from wanting people to escape from poverty through working, it is content they should remain trapped within it. Because for the church, which constantly attacks the 'undeserving rich', the poor by contrast are always deserving – deserving, it would appear, always to remain poor. Because poverty is spiritually noble, it seems, while wealth is obscene.

If these opponents succeed in voting down the IDS reforms today, they will demonstrate that infantile leftism still has its thumbs upon the British windpipe – thus continuing to squeeze the life out of British society, along with the church it has managed to all but destroy.


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:59 pm 
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If these opponents succeed in voting down the IDS reforms today, they will demonstrate that infantile leftism still has its thumbs upon the British windpipe – thus continuing to squeeze the life out of British society, along with the church it has managed to all but destroy.




It's just that sort of reasonable, well-thought out sentence, with no hint of hyperbole, that makes her such a sensible columnist.

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mojojojo wrote:
It's just that sort of reasonable, well-thought out sentence, with no hint of hyperbole, that makes her such a sensible columnist.

:lol:


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Far from wanting people to escape from poverty through working, it is content they should remain trapped within it. Because for the church, which constantly attacks the 'undeserving rich', the poor by contrast are always deserving – deserving, it would appear, always to remain poor. Because poverty is spiritually noble, it seems, while wealth is obscene.
This is one of the lunatic right's favourite false dichotomies isn't it? The idea that being in reciept of benefits automatically dooms you to be forever reliant on it and in a state of poverty as if the act of providing money to people so they can do things like eat deprives them of the ability to get a job.

The whole thing makes for depressing reading, though. Especially the attitude that critisising the rich and greedy while not at the same time giving the poor and struggling a good kicking is somehow hypocritical or making saints of the poor. What a nasty little shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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Isn't Philips a fan of America? No doubt she can find some evidence from there of tough benefit cuts wiping out poverty.

IDS has released the impact assessment 30 mins before the Lords debate starts.

Old fashioned decency there. What a shitbag he is. How anyone can vote for it without seeing that is beyond me.


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If national government treats impact assessments with the seriousness that local government does it won't be worth the paper it's written on.

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Yet again we see a fundamental principle of Conservatism in action - you make poor people work harder by taking money from them and rich people work harder by giving them more.


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mojojojo wrote:
If national government treats impact assessments with the seriousness that local government does it won't be worth the paper it's written on.


Local government would presumably circulate the papers in time.


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davidjay wrote:
Yet again we see a fundamental principle of Conservatism in action - you make poor people work harder by taking money from them and rich people work harder by giving them more.


This needs saying every day.
Perhaps we could explain it to Ed Milliband and Liam Byrne...


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Maybe these daft churchmen noticed that the recession (which makes it impossible to get work) was caused by these undeserving rich, Mel?

And the church don't think all rich people are bad by any means. And if they did, they'd be able to point to a certain holy book. One which you want put right at the heart of modern society.

Idiot.


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Maybe these daft churchmen noticed that the recession (which makes it impossible to get work) was caused by these undeserving rich, Mel?

And the church don't think all rich people are bad by any means. And if they did, they'd be able to point to a certain holy book. One which you want put right at the heart of modern society.

Idiot.


Ah, that holy book. The one written around 2,000 years ago and whose teachings the church should revert to. As opposed to another holy book, centuries more modern and the reason why the religion which follow its teachings is backward.


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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She's on Question Time tonight. I'm having one of Abernathy's Big Munchy Mouthfulls in the hope of bringing on a coronary first.


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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I can't bear to watch.


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Criticising the "lynch-mob mentality" against bankers and talking about morality whilst demonising the poor. Classy.


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
I can't bear to watch.


Fascinating, she's runner up in the Batshit Hurdle to the Libdem.


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