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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:04 pm 
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
She's leaving the Mail for Guardian, apparently. Should be an interesting change of direction, and proof of Armsteen's Law*
http://plixi.com/p/59504116


UPDATE: She is writing for the Groaniad but not leaving the Wail on Sundae! Further proof of Armsteen's Law.




*Journalists are a bunch of arrogant whores who write whatever puts a Tuscany Villa into their portfolio and a glass of Gevrey Chambertin in their lying gobs.


Yea, these journos, all alike arn't they...
Charming :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:58 pm 
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You'd defend the devil to make a snide point, wouldn't you?
Are you going to snipe everybody's OTT comments, or can I expect preferential treatment?

Don't bother to answer...

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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:06 pm 
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Fuck. Things haven't changed much 'round here, have they?


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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:10 pm 
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Fuck. No.

You might like to note that I made that comment in November last year, but clearly Morden has been trawling to go trolling.
So don't comment to me, comment to him and ask why this happens.

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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... -then.html

Strewth. The NHS is OK and Tory cuts to the NHS are not OK, not many people care about the Royal wedding and most of us feel sorry for Kate over the pointless and goldfish-bowl life she is going to live from now on, and Sarah Brown is a thoroughly admirable woman. Is Dacre on holiday or something? (OK, there's a nastyish comment about Nick Clegg, but you can't have everything.)


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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
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glasgowgril wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1361044/SUZANNE-MOORE-The-NHS-saved-life-Mr-Lansley--wasnt-liberated-then.html

Strewth. The NHS is OK and Tory cuts to the NHS are not OK, not many people care about the Royal wedding and most of us feel sorry for Kate over the pointless and goldfish-bowl life she is going to live from now on, and Sarah Brown is a thoroughly admirable woman. Is Dacre on holiday or something? (OK, there's a nastyish comment about Nick Clegg, but you can't have everything.)


Would have thought that would have scored her further points to be honest.

(and Malcolm, attacking a comment that is nothing but a cheap, massive generalisation about a huge number of people, isn't trolling)

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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
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Morden - you really need to let go...

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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:40 pm 
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z1JncPWINr



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Not a week goes by without people complaining that they cannot talk about immigration. They do this on television, on the radio or in newspapers, where they tend to be found writing or speaking passionately about, er . . . immigration.




How Suzanne Moore keeps her Mail job is a mystery to me. She's a witch! Burn her!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:12 pm 
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She's just got herself a new fan. What a beautiful piece of writing this is.



"She is there whenever I go the shops. Every time I think she can't get any more skeletal, she manages it. Wild eyes staring in different directions, she must have been pretty once. I try not to look, for she is often aggressive. Sometimes, though, she is in my face and asking me to go into the shop, from which she has been banned, to buy her something. A scratchcard. She feels lucky. "Maybe some food?" I suggest pointlessly, but food is not what she craves. Food is not crack. Or luck. She has already lost every lottery going.

An addict is the author of their own misfortune. Her poverty is self-inflicted. All these hopeless people: where do they all come from? It is, of course, possible never to really see them, as their distress is so distressing. Who needs it? Poverty, we are often told, is not "actual", because people have TVs. This gradual erosion of empathy is the triumph of an economic climate in which everyone, addicted or not, is personally responsible for their own lack of achievement. Poor people are not simply people like us, but with less money: they are an entirely different species. Their poverty is a personal failing. They have let themselves go. This now applies not just to individuals but to entire countries. Look at the Greeks! What were they thinking with their pensions and minimum wage? That they were like us? Out of the flames, they are now told to rise, phoenix–like, by a rich political elite. Perhaps they can grow money on trees?

Meanwhile, in the US, as this week's shocking Panorama showed, people are living in tents or underground in drains. These ugly people, with ulcers, hernias and bad teeth, are the flipside of the American dream. Trees twist through abandoned civic buildings and factories, while the Republican candidates, an ID parade of Grecian 2000 suspects, bang on about tax cuts for the 1% who own a fifth of America's wealth. To see the Grapes of Wrath recast among post-apocalyptic cityscapes is scary. Huge cognitive dissonance is required to cheerlead for the rich while 47 million citizens live in conditions close to those in the developing world.

This contradiction is also one of the few things we in the UK are good at producing. I heard a radio interview recently with a depressed young man with three A-levels (yes, in properly Govian subjects) who had been unemployed for three years. The response of listeners was that he was lazy and should try harder. Samuel Beckett's "fail better" comes to mind. Understanding what three years of unemployment does to a young person does not produce a job, any more than the scratchcard will change a crackhead's life. But pure condemnation is divisive. This fear and loathing of those at the bottom is deeply disturbing.

Three years ago I was on a panel with Vince Cable at The Convention of Modern Liberty, when Cable was still reckoned a seer for predicting the recession. He said then that the financial crisis would mean civil liberties would be trampled on. But what stuck in my mind was a sentence he mumbled about the pre-conditions for fascism arising. Scaremongering? The emotional pre-condition is absolutely this punitive attitude to the weak and poor.

Our disgust at the poor is tempered only by our sentimentality about children. They are innocent. We feel charitable. Not enough, perhaps, as a Save the Children report tells us that one in four children in developing countries are too malnourished to grow properly. Still, malnourishment isn't starvation, just as anyone who has a mobile phone isn't properly hard-up. Difficult to stomach maybe, but isn't all this the fault of the countries they live in?

At what point, though, can we no longer avoid the poor, our own and the global poor? Or, indeed, avoid the concept that frightens the left as much as the right: redistribution, of wealth, resources, labour, working hours. Whither the left? Busy pretending that there is a way round this, a lot of the time.

The idea that ultimately the poor must help themselves as social mobility grinds to a halt is illogical; it is based on a faith for which there is scant evidence. Yet it is the one thing that has genuinely "trickled down" from the wealthy, so that many people without much themselves continue to despise those who are on a lower rung.

The answer to poverty, you see, lies with the poor themselves, be they drain-dwellers, Greeks, disabled people, or unemployed youth. We will give them bailouts, maybe charity, and lectures on becoming more entrepreneurial. The economy of empathy has crashed, and this putsch is insidious and individualised. No more cruel to be kind. We must be simply cruel.

The argument that there is enough to go round is now a fairytale, like winning the lottery. Poverty is not a sign of collective failure but individual immorality. The psychic coup of neo-liberal thinking is just this: instead of being disgusted by poverty, we are disgusted by poor people themselves. This disgust is a growth industry. We lay this moral bankruptcy at the feet of the poor as we tell ourselves we are better than that."



Suzanne Moore, Guardian. 16 Feb 2012


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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:16 pm 
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Fucking hell.

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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
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One minor point - there IS enough to go round. Some just take much more than enough. What's left isn't enough to go round.


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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:44 am 
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Fuck me this is confusing.

Here is Suzanne Moore's rant on twitter where she basically loses all respect I had for her.....

This was the rant that Burchill responded to (and got her column removed from the observer).....

Link to rant

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People can just fuck off really. Cut their dicks off and be more feminist than me. Good for them.

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 Post subject: Re: Suzanne Moore
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:50 am 
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Fuckinell....


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