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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm 
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Well, the comments are overwhelmingly in agreement so far. Excellent article* - this is what there should be more of given how the Mail manipulates its readers.


*This is only the second time I have ever said this about a Mail article, the first time being in relation to a Peter Hitchens article on travelling in North Korea. Wonders will never cease.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:22 pm 
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Well, gracious me. I wasn't expecting that.

I was however expecting a chorus of dissenting grunts in the comments but then it dawned on me that most of the mail's readership rarely go beyond the dog-whistle headlines, much less in to areas of serious, reasoned debate.

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I was hoping the mods might allow this, but no. :(
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I wonder how long it will take the DM to notice that its website has been hacked, and delete this article?

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This kinda slipped past me, but it sems that even Heffer now things that Gideon is useless.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... rowth.html


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The Coalition is refusing to publish a report into the risks of NHS Reform. What have they got to hide?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z1n2IrS0uZ

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Mr. Cameron has found himself in an uncomfortable and untenable spot. This is what happens when you are determined to force through goals that the vast majority of people, professionally and personally, oppose. And not without good reason.

To be fair, the current blueprint for changes within the NHS aren't actually Cameron's plans at all but were first mooted when his political grandmother, Margaret Thatcher, was in power.

They were subsequently licked into shape by Tony Blair's champagne-socialist cabinet - shame, shame on him - but not implemented. Nonetheless, Cameron's determination to push them through to their full and detrimental technicolour conclusion should not be underestimated.

The reformation of the NHS has been controversial from day one for the simple fact that when you strip away all the hyperbole and management-speak it amounts to one simple thing: a privatisation of the NHS.
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If there's one thing we know for certain about Conservative behaviour, it is how they love to flog the family silver. It's their thing. Not for nothing are they known as the eBay of politics (well, in our house anyway).

Problem is, when they are done with their pillaging of our national stock, it can take decades before we even begin to grasp the full significance of their privatisation propensity.

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If we have learned anything about David Cameron's style of governance it is this: if he doesn't like the advice he has been offered then he will simply ignore it - as he did with the whole raft of opponents to his Welfare Reform Bill.

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I fear, greatly, that the Health and Social Care Bill will be rubber-stamped by MPs - and not least because of the degree of financial interests that our Honorable Members (sometimes its hard to say that without laughing) have a stake in.

At the last count, 31 Lords and 18 MP's have extremely lucrative interests in the health industry - including health providers such as BUPA, pharmaceuticals and consultancies.

It doesn't require great intellectual insight to see how their voting may be swayed by their personal priorities and how reforms, as set out, will directly benefit them.

I appreciate that it is entirely legal for our elected - and unelected - members to have financial investments aside from their roles as MPs, and as long as they list these in the parliamentary register then everything remains above board.

But come on: Legal it may be - in a system of rules that they created - but that does not always equate to moral. And certainly not on this occasion.


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 Post subject: Re: RightMinds
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Welcome to Britain, where all people are protected from prejudice, unless they are white

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What a ghastly, Orwellian disgrace the detention of war hero David Jones at Gatwick airport is for daring to question why Muslims can pass through scanners with their faces completely covered.

Mr Jones, the creator of Fireman Sam, a former member of the Household Cavalry and an all-round nice bloke, was detained and accused of racism because a Muslim security guard said he had offended her by cracking a joke about what would happen if he covered his own face in his scarf. He made a good point and highlighted a very real problem, but of course, the truth is not allowed if it offends a minority group.

What followed is a tableau of all that is wrong with Britain’s obsession with "protecting" minorities to the exclusion of all other civilised considerations.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:44 pm 
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Welcome to Britain, where all people are protected from prejudice, unless they are white

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What a ghastly, Orwellian disgrace the detention of war hero David Jones at Gatwick airport is for daring to question why Muslims can pass through scanners with their faces completely covered.

Mr Jones, the creator of Fireman Sam, a former member of the Household Cavalry and an all-round nice bloke, was detained and accused of racism because a Muslim security guard said he had offended her by cracking a joke about what would happen if he covered his own face in his scarf. He made a good point and highlighted a very real problem, but of course, the truth is not allowed if it offends a minority group.

What followed is a tableau of all that is wrong with Britain’s obsession with "protecting" minorities to the exclusion of all other civilised considerations.


Jesus, how fucking tiresome....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:13 pm 
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Of course it ignores the fact other "war heroes" might well have turned round and given him the slap in the mouth he thoroughly deserved for the comments, but there you are...

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I'm struggling to understand the point of his comment : "What would happen if I put my scarf over my face?". Well, nothing would happen, I guess. But why would he want to do that at all? Could it be to take the piss out of the veil-wearing moslem woman in front of him? Yes, in fact that's the only explanation I can think of.

In which case he was rightly pulled up for it. There are usually notices around in all sorts of places where staff interface with the public, such as post offices - and airport security points, I'd imagine, declaring something like : " Our staff have the right to work free from intimidation, threats, insults......" and so on. Sounds very much as if he stepped over that line, though I'm thinking they perhaps acted a tad heavy-handedly in detaining him for a short while (questionable whether they had the right to do so?)

And Fireman Sam was shit.

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a former member of the Household Cavalry and an all-round nice bloke

Probably went to a good school, too. Well liked at the club. Decent chap. Dreadful business. Ah, more claret.


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Good use of Orwellian too. I expect David Jones is now gleefully looking forward to the bullet in the back of the head after his detention at the hands of the thought police corrected him.

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I thought the job of the household cavalry was to guard the queen at Buckingham Palace so how does he suddenly get to be classed as a 'war hero'. He just come across as one of the many ex-pats who regularly post their bigoted views on the Mail's website.

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I'm struggling to understand the point of his comment : "What would happen if I put my scarf over my face?". Well, nothing would happen, I guess. But why would he want to do that at all? Could it be to take the piss out of the veil-wearing moslem woman in front of him? Yes, in fact that's the only explanation I can think of.

In which case he was rightly pulled up for it. There are usually notices around in all sorts of places where staff interface with the public, such as post offices - and airport security points, I'd imagine, declaring something like : " Our staff have the right to work free from intimidation, threats, insults......" and so on. Sounds very much as if he stepped over that line, though I'm thinking they perhaps acted a tad heavy-handedly in detaining him for a short while (questionable whether they had the right to do so?)

Presumably he thought he would not be able to pass wearing a scarf over his face, and believed he was pointing out a double standard?

In all honesty I'm a bit baffled by the story. I'm not completely convinced he was being an arse and deserved it, or that he wasn't. And didn't. I feel like we're not getting the full picture.

In any case it's very tedious to see The Mail wetting themselves over this stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: RightMinds
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:22 pm 
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Good use of Orwellian too. I expect David Jones is now gleefully looking forward to the bullet in the back of the head after his detention at the hands of the thought police corrected him.


It's interesting that Orwell was a hard rightwinger after all, isn't it? What was he doing hanging around with all those ILP types?

And you can have racist crimes against white people. A friend of mine's pub was attacked by Asian youths. The police immediately treated it as a racist attack.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:09 pm 
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This twat is the lead story on South East News. I've had a shit day so will not be watching it, or the Big Fat Racist Cunt thing on Channel 4. So there.

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