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gedoogbeleid (policy of tolerance)


Haha, someone must have been really stoned when they made up that word ;)


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actually the dutch are the smallest canabis using group in amsterdam, the largest are the brits, go figure


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Did anybody see Hitchens on C4 Despatches last night, putting the boot in on " Call me Dave"?


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No, Hitchens was on Start the Week on Radio 4 yesterday morning (should be available for download until next Monday on the BBC site) and thus saved me having to turn the TV on. Well in his column he did rant about the desirability of people not watching a while ago.

The title clearly shows his training on the Socialist Worker newspaper coming in handy once again.

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http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/d ... top/328047

worth a read.


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Good review in The Grauniad by Sam Wollaston...

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So Dave Cameron hasn't been entirely consistent, it appears. A while back he was a proper Tory: boo to taxes, boo to gay people, boo to the environment, and a big boo to crime. He said that every court should be able to sentence criminals to hard physical work, such as cleaning graffiti and clearing litter. Cameron didn't say whether they should be chained together, but, as Pete Hitchens says, "it's not exactly hug a hoodie, is it?"

Yes, that's Pete "Mr Consistent" Hitchens - you know, who used to be a Trot, then a member of the Labour party, then a Tory and now a ... I'm not really sure what actually, just a professional hater of the modern world. And I know he calls himself Peter, not Pete, but I've childishly decided to call him Pete. I find his use of Peter, which we shouldn't blindly accept, deliberately misleading, as it gives his views a gravitas I'm not sure they merit. A bit like the way he refers to the prime minister as Anthony Blair, in fact.

It's a pity Dispatches: Cameron - Toff at the Top (Channel 4, "the liberal elite's favourite TV station", as Pete once called it) is written and presented by Hitchens, a man with all the charm of Gollum. Because if you can stomach it, and the hypocrisy, there's some interesting stuff in there; and it's high time the media-Cameron love-in ended and he got a bit of a kicking. Not only will Dave leap, lordily, on to any bandwagon that's passing, but he actually doesn't believe in anything at all. According to Hitchens, he's an opportunist, a chancer, a politician who has never actually been interested in politics. And by attempting to copy New Labour he has essentially eliminated voter choice.

Worse still, he's a horrid toff, and was once a member of the Bullingdon Club, a bunch of braying Hooray Henries (no Henriettas allowed) at Oxford who dress up, get horribly drunk, smash places up, then get Daddy to send a cheque to take care of the damage. Never mind the U-turns, or the lack of policies, surely the photograph of him, puffed out like a peacock with his public-school Bullingdon chums, will be enough to ensure he never gets anywhere near Downing Street.


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I'm developing a problem with Hichens. Whereas Littleljohn is an out and out wanker with the wit and intellect of a small swede. Our Pete is at least prepared to argue his case, which must say something in his favour.
I do hope that you are reading this Richard.


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I'm developing a problem with Hichens. Whereas Littleljohn is an out and out wanker with the wit and intellect of a small swede. Our Pete is at least prepared to argue his case, which must say something in his favour.
I do hope that you are reading this Richard.


I'm not sure that being less of a twat than Littlejohn says much in anyone's favour really, since it covers most of the world's population.


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That mad bugger on the bus who thinks that the goverment are all alien lizards and are monitoring his brain waves via his TV is also "prepared to argue his case". I don't think that's much to brag about.


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All right, all right. I didn't think it through.
Please leave me alone and stop hitting me :wink:


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No, Nick does have a point.

Hitch does have some principles, disagree with them as you might. The problem is that he's such a reactionary, opposed to any form of change, modern life etc, it's hard to imagine the sort of society he would like. However he is prepared to defend his comments, he travels, researches, and makes himself answerable to his critics.

Littlecock on the other hand is a bully, who seeks to capitalise on any perceived division, inequality or basic chance to put the boot in. He's unashamedly populist and appeals to the mob mentality of the pub bore.

So there's how I see it - the one's a thuggish twat, the other is a reactionary yearning for a golden age which probably never existed.

Still don't like either of them.

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No, I do agree - it was just the compliment of being less cunty than Littlejohn that struck me as not much for Hitchens to write home about! I also dislike them both, but I only hate one. And hate is not a word I use too freely. Except on the subject of gherkins.


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What I was trying to argue was that whereas Littlejohn is a total fuckwit, Hitch will put out an argument and attempt to defend it. But I wouldn't like either round for tea.
Oh, just regard gherkins as 'cornicion' and the hate just fades :lol:


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Today's offering:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1791

On David Cameron
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Ceaselessly he tells the people of Britain that he and his party are Left-wing, high-tax, pro-EU fanatics who want equality for you and privilege for themselves

The first bit, like much of the column, is bollocks, but I can't argue much with the equality/privelige bit.


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Typical elitist-pretending-to-be-meritocratic shite. Why don't 'pro-grammar school' idiots ever declare themselves to be 'pro-secondary modern sink school'? You can't have one without the other, however much you may try to deny it.

In truth, the grammar school system was a way for the middle classes to get a minor public school education paid for by working class taxpayers. The fact that they invited a few (and statistically it was a few) bright working class kids along for the ride is irrelevant.


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