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Migrants putting 'billions on council tax'
By STEVE DOUGHTY


http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/liv ... ge_id=1770

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The report, which says councils need extra emergency Treasury funding of £ 250million a year, came in the week ministers had to admit they had hugely underestimated the number of foreign nationals working here.



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the reason for those confusing figures is that the Mail use patented calculators which have a special 'immigrant key' which instantly multiplies any number by 10. 8)


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Family life worse than ever believe 70% of Britons

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

What is actually says is

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Nearly three-quarters of Britons believe family life was more successful in their parents' generation.


the facts are

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In 1951, 90 per cent of people thought their mother had done her best for them when they were children whereas today that figure is 94 per cent. The increase for fathers was from 80 per cent in the 1950s to 86 per cent now.

As many as 96 per cent of respondents said family life was important to them, and 93 per cent said they were very or fairly happy with their family life.

It also revealed 95 per cent believe their families are close, a rise of 4 per cent since 1999.



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This is another of those situations where everyone believes they're alright but everyone else is fucked, isn't it?

The Mail's good at them.


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hm ...

Prince Harry will NOT face charges over shooting of rare birds at Royal estate
ok so he was the one suspected but he was let off cause hes a toff...
expected the usual comments..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

There's a surprise for us all then!

- Flembo, London

Well what a surprise then.

- Keith, Shropshire

Isn't it just typical? I thought all men were created equal but as I feared some are far more equal than others. You can bet if it was me or any other member of the public out shooting on land to which no others had access I would have been charged in the blink of an eye. If not Harry and his mate, who else was being allowed to shoot in the same vicinity - yes, you've got it; NO-ONE!

- Steve, Manchester, UK

oh hang on if you actually have a brain and read the article guess what...

The CPS said today: "Norfolk Crown Prosecution Service has advised Norfolk Police there is insufficient evidence to prosecute anyone over the shooting of two hen harrier birds, a protected species, at Sandringham on October 24 2007.

"The bodies of the hen harriers have not been found and there is no forensic or ballistic evidence.

Following the incident, a Clarence House spokesman said: "Because Prince Harry and a friend were both in the area at the time, the police have been in contact with them and asked them if they have any information that could help.

"Unfortunately, they had no knowledge of the alleged incident."

however hes a royal so he did it...and he was qustion as part of the routine..

so no evidence and he was one of many in the area..lets face it its probaly the game keeper shooting the birds anyhow..


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In fact no evidence at all that a crime has been committed except for the word of one person. This would get thrown out of court within minutes. It would be a waste of everyone's time and money to do anything else but forget about it.
Pity, because I'd love to see a prince go down for a ten stretch*, but that's the price of civilisation and the rule of law.

*Unlikely. Probably a fifty quid fine paid off at two quid a month.


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But i thought the Mail & its readers loved the royals :? Oh, i forgot, Harry is young, popular with young people and a bit of a lad so is suddenly public enemy #1


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'UK will become Nazi Germany' if it's not careful when tackling terrorism, says Muslim leader (Wanted to use: Oh God we hope so. The good old days)

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The UK must be careful how it tackles terrorism and treats Islamic culture if it is to avoid recreating a society reminiscent of Nazi Germany, the head of the Muslim Council of Britain has warned.

Muhammad Abdul Bari, in an interview with the Daily Telegraph, criticised the Government for fuelling tensions in the Muslim community rather than dissipating them.



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Britain must, he warns, beware of becoming like Nazi Germany.


According to the Mail that's the same as "will become".

Technically they could mean the same, but as usual with the Mail it's a case of twisting phrasing. I don't think Muhammed meant it as a definitive prediction as the Mail is suggesting.


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Think your clutching at straws there Bairy. If anything, its the Extremists who are trying to turn Britain into a facist state and Mr Abdul Bari & the MCB should 'digitum extractum' and sort this out themselves instead of moaning to the govenment.


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Mr. Mordon, the two issues are not mutually exclusive.

One can argue that about the Mail and still agree with the overall premise; that the Islamic community needs to sort itself out as well.


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I'm not commenting on what Muhammed said, I'm commenting on the Mail's interpretation of it, as is the point of this thread.

I know it's slight but I think running "UK will become Nazi Germany"* as a headline is deliberatly misleading, especially since some readers won't read the article.

* as oppose to "Britain should beware that it may become like Nazi Germany", which is what I think Muhammed actually meant. And even if I'm wrong they should have contacted him for clarification.


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Man 'torched £350,000 home to stop his wife getting it in divorce'

Hooley refers to Gary Hooley, the husband, or "man" in the title.

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A furious husband burnt down his £350,000 home to stop his wife receiving it in a divorce settlement, a court heard.

That sounds rather "he definitely did". And not at all contradictory to the "may be" of:
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Iain Hillis, prosecuting, said: "It may be he realised his marriage was over and wanted to destroy the house."

Police arrested Hooley nearby, sleeping in the front seat of his van.

Hooley, who denies arson, drank eight or nine pints of beer that night. He told police he had nothing to do with the fire and someone else must have started it.

"may be". And even if he "wanted" to destroy his house doesn't necessarily mean did so.

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Hooley allegedly replied: "So what. It's nothing to do with me." Asked where he was, Hooley said: "I can't tell you that."

If he was as drunk as suggested I'm sure he can't.


The power of the '' eh. And even then no one specifically said those words. The wife implies it and the rest is circumstantial.

The court case continues.


The Daily Mail: We don't need no stinkin court cases, we'll just guess what happened.


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where would the Mail be without these: ''

they can turn any rumour into fact, any comment into a statement and any polite discription of racial types into 'PC gone mad'


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There are times when you want to write to the Mail and say "oh give it a rest"

Immmigration and rising birthrate to push UK population to 90 million by 2050 - yup, triple m
Notice the factual presence there. It WILL push the pop to 90 mill.

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Their estimates put the population at between 66million and 75million by 2031 and between 66million and 90million in 2056.

Oh, no it won't, because it might be 90 mill in 2056 - 6 years later.

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Earlier this month, they [GAD] published their central forecast, known as the 'principal projection', which predicted the number of UK residents would rise to 71.1 million by 2031 and 78.6 million by 2056.

Tomorrow, GAD will release 'variant projections' which describe how the population will grow if the three key factors turn out higher or lower than anticipated.

Wait? What. Which flippin figure is it?
Title: 90m for 2050
One paragraph: 90m for 2056
Another paragraph: 78.6m for 2056
Realty: Not got a f'kin clue because these are (very wide ranged) projections.


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Keep in mind yesterday's title, "Immmigration and rising birthrate to push UK population to 90 million by 2050" (which hasn't been changed despite it being inaccurate according to their own evidence)

Rising immigration could double population of Britain by 2081
Says the headline

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By 2081, 74 years from now, the population will have almost doubled to just under 109million, they said.

Says the article.

Dear Daily Mail,
I understand you're not particularly good at maths, or perspective. So allow me to give you a hand.

The current population of Britain varies depending who you ask. It's somewhere between 58.8m as of mid-2006 (wiki -> national stats), and a lot higher if we believe that 3 trillion immigrants enter a day as you insist.
Let's go with 58.8m even though it's a year out of date.

Now, double 58.8 and you get 117.6

109m is 92.6% of 117.6m, that's a 7.4% difference. On the figure of 117.6m, 7.4% is not "just under", it's 8,600,000 people.

Since the population is higher than 58.8m, it's actually even more then 7.4% / 8.6m

And that's assuming that the latest set of "pluck it out of our arses" projections are correct.



I do admire the Mail though, they cleverly use the word "could".
Imagine the headlines they could concoct by combining "could" and a pair of ''

Immigration 'could increase population to 1 billion by 2200'

And by 1 billion they would of course mean about 926 million.


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