Headline vs story

Dacre Bleugh · **Joined:** Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:28 pm **Posts:** 472

As if Death Valley wasn't dangerous enough... geologists discover that one of its volcanoes is due to go off

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... chers.html

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The scientists stress that there are currently no signs of it waking up, which would be preceded by shallow earthquakes and the opening of steam vents, events that could go on for years before anything bigger happened.

JohnG · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:34 pm

From today's Leveson thread

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

Leveson mulling the idea of making headlines be accurate to the story beneath, or else that would be a cause for complaint.

Please God let it be true, so we can see an end to Muslim Benefit Scrounger Disabled Single Mum Knifed My Granny headlines.

oboogie · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:36 pm

Killed by cannabis: Boy, 16, dies falling down stairs while high on skunk ... and proves Sir Richard Branson is wrong about drugs
Really it's headline vs itself. It wasn't the cannabis that killed him, it was falling down stairs.
It doesn't prove anything.
Drunks fall and kill themselves too - should alcohol be illegal?
Drivers kill people - should we ban cars?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1kPwerep7

Captain VXR · **Posted:** Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:21 pm

oboogie wrote:

Killed by cannabis: Boy, 16, dies falling down stairs while high on skunk ... and proves Sir Richard Branson is wrong about drugs
Really it's headline vs itself. It wasn't the cannabis that killed him, it was falling down stairs.
It doesn't prove anything.
Drunks fall and kill themselves too - should alcohol be illegal?
Drivers kill people - should we ban cars?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1kPwerep7

Is that really the best argument the prohibitionists can come up with?
People do dumb things whilst sober all the time
And I thought the DM was supposed to be against 'nanny state elf and safety' culture?

Scotdeb · **Posted:** Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:44 pm

Hooked on chicken nuggets: Girl, 17, who has eaten nothing else since age TWO rushed to hospital after collapsing

This has already featured in the Sadface topic but it screams Headline vs Story to me. In the first line it says she has eaten *almost* nothing but chicken nuggets... apart from toast for her breakfast etc etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2092071/Stacey-Irvine-17-collapses-eating-McDonalds-chicken-nuggets-age-2.html

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:17 am

welcome, deb and captain.

Arnold · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:41 pm

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Europe is developing an asteroid shield… but it won’t be in time for the 19-mile wide monster hurtling past Earth next week

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Run out of Berlin with funds from the EU, the NEOShield project, which will look for a way to protect earth from the space rocks, is expected to take three years to complete.

So a study, not a shield.

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Despite its massive size, the cosmic rock shouldn’t be too cause too much of a threat as it is on a circular path far outside the moon's orbit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z1keq5eNtw

shyamz · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:26 pm

Arnold wrote:

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Europe is developing an asteroid shield… but it won’t be in time for the 19-mile wide monster hurtling past Earth next week

Quote:

Run out of Berlin with funds from the EU, the NEOShield project, which will look for a way to protect earth from the space rocks, is expected to take three years to complete.

So a study, not a shield.

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Despite its massive size, the cosmic rock shouldn’t be too cause too much of a threat as it is on a circular path far outside the moon's orbit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z1keq5eNtw

This may turn out to be one of the rare occasions when the readers read beyond the headline.

As the quote later on states that it's an EU funded project, looking at making a shield to protect us from "space rocks" (they're asteroids. Even if you know nothing about science beyond what you've seen on Star Trek, you know they're called asteroids) which aren't going to hit us anyway, they'll jump at the chance to point out what a waste of the quardilions of pounds we pay to the every year to the EU this project is.

ezinra · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:16 am

Ex-policeman, 88, foils robbers with walking stick after his 'old instincts' kicked in

The readers are going to love this guy. Alas:

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despite other passers-by also intervening, the robbers still managed to escape with a 'substantial' amount of money, police said.

and

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After confronting the robbers, the veteran - who was married to his late wife, Christina, for 57 years, has two children, five grandchildren and two great-grandchildren - was left with a bump to his head that needed hospital treatment following his encounter with the thieves.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:38 am

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The second world war veteran used his aluminum walking stick to 'whack' one of the thieves before

First of all, it doesn't look like aluminium to me, and secondly it didn't happen in the USA! Perhaps as he broke his stick the nice people at Lloyds TSB bought him a new, wooden one?

TonyHoyle · **Joined:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:48 pm **Posts:** 214

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And now the police will consider arresting him for assault then later the 'victim's' lawyer will sue him for head injuries. Mad mad country this
- skyguy, Wallasey, Wirral, 28/1/2012 07:06

That's entirely possible... Not sure why it's mad that the law applies equally to all. Even old men with sticks. That's one of the things I like about this country.

Of course he'll never be prosecuted for it, and any attempt to sue would likely be thrown out... but are the mailites really wishing for a world where someone considered to be 'bad'* in the eyes of the person doing the assaulting automatically loses their legal rights?

* Or forrin, etc.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:32 pm

TonyHoyle wrote:

are the mailites really wishing for a world where someone considered to be 'bad'* in the eyes of the person doing the assaulting automatically loses their legal rights?

Yes. 100%

Silkyman · **Joined:** Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:31 am **Posts:** 802

Wouldn't this count as self defence?

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:45 pm

Not if you aren't actually under attack - which this ex-copper wasn't. He just waded in with his stick. He wouldn't be allowed to do that if he was a serving copper...

shyamz · **Posted:** Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:28 pm

ezinra wrote:

Ex-policeman, 88, foils robbers with walking stick after his 'old instincts' kicked in

The readers are going to love this guy. Alas:

Quote:

despite other passers-by also intervening, the robbers still managed to escape with a 'substantial' amount of money, police said.

and

Quote:

After confronting the robbers, the veteran - who was married to his late wife, Christina, for 57 years, has two children, five grandchildren and two great-grandchildren - was left with a bump to his head that needed hospital treatment following his encounter with the thieves.

"a bump to the head". So even the mail couldn't make his injuries sound worse than they really were this time.

And again, plenty of irrelevant information - even going forward generations to tell us he's a great grandfather.
Clearly been a great grandparent will soon top been an ordinary grandparent. This information shouldn't matter, except of course where there would be little newsworthyness to the story without it.

I'm fairly certain that this story would be unlikely to be of any intetest to the paper if the man in question were an ordinary twenty-something, or Polish perhaps. A tiny bit in the corner of one page might be given to it at the most.

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