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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:31 am 
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The Daily Mail spent an estimated £143,000 asking a private eye to make 1,728 potentially illegal requests to unearth phone numbers and addresses of public figures over a three-year period, including personal details of the Duchess of Cambridge and her sister Pippa Middleton.

Journalists at the newspaper asked for private information on average more than once a day, and occasionally asked for individual criminal record checks. Its reporters demanded roughly twice as many searches as was previously thought, according to research by ITV News.



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Journalists from the Mail obtained the BT friends and family numbers of people of interest 90 times, at an average cost of about £336. Reporters obtained 1,285 ex-directory numbers at a cost of £65 a time. There were 20 requests to establish a person's address from their vehicle registration at an average cost of £150.
On three occasions, Whittamore's JJ Services was asked for an individual's criminal records to be checked against the police national computer, each at a cost of £500.

The Observer, owned by Guardian Media Group, publishers of the Guardian, made 201 requests for information from Whittamore at a cost of £13,270 between 2000 and 2003. This was about double the 103 previously counted by the information commissioner, and the new data says the Sunday paper made 182 requests for ex-directory numbers, asked for 18 mobile and landline numbers to be linked to people's addresses or other personal details and requested one "blag".


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Obtaining such personal information is a breach of section 55 of the Data Protection Act, although there is a public interest defence. If anybody working in the public sector was paid money to supply information illegally, it could amount to an offence under the more serious 1906 Prevention of Corruption Act, for which there is no public interest defence. Whittamore himself pleaded guilty to breaches of the Data Protection Act in 2005 and received a two-year conditional discharge.

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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:51 am 
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Couldnt see this in the Mail,,,, hmmm wonder why!! :evil:
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 06218.html


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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:57 pm 
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"Two soldiers posed holding a dead man's hand with the middle finger raised. A soldier leaned over the bearded corpse while clutching the man's hand. Someone placed an unofficial platoon patch reading "Zombie Hunter" next to other remains and took a picture."


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 2601.story

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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:44 pm 
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Wonder if the Mail will cover this story?

Britain destroyed records of colonial crimes

Edit: Didn't spot this earlier:

Was British Colonisation Good or Bad for Africa?


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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:11 pm 
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"Two soldiers posed holding a dead man's hand with the middle finger raised. A soldier leaned over the bearded corpse while clutching the man's hand. Someone placed an unofficial platoon patch reading "Zombie Hunter" next to other remains and took a picture."


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 2601.story

Now in the Mail:

'It's reprehensible': White House condemns photos of U.S. soldiers posing with bodies of suicide bombers in Afghanistan

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1sQcWWpGD

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No wonder the war campaign has hit the buffers. These over-sensitive people in management have no stomach for real war. Do you think the Taliban would show such "respect" to our brave troops? They sever heads live on TV. The people up top running operations must have forgotten what its like being in the relentless, pressure cauldron that we call war
- Michael AA, London, UK, 18/4/2012 18:52

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Oh for Pete's sake - these soldier are fighting in a war - aren't they? So should they have pulled out their handkerchiefs and sobbed? Is that what the PC-ites want? To my knowlege, never has a war been fought where our soldiers have such constraining "rules of engagement" that often their lives at far greater risk. Now we are supposed to be outraged soldiers are happy an enemy, who was trying to blow up said soldiers, is dead? Do you think soldiers, in WWII, were unhappy with a successful mission. Might we find pictures of them smiling? Horrors!
- Maureen, MA, USA, 18/4/2012 13:06

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Wow, even dead suicide-bombing terrorists are being rights now and their corpses need to be respected. IS THIS A WAR OR MORRIS DANCING! The moron blew himself up and killed other people. Who gives a damn about his feelings. Hopefully this picture will deter other would-be suicide bombers from going down this route and bringing shame to their families.
- Michael AA, London, UK, 18/4/2012 18:44

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Those of you who have never fought in the military will not understand. When such terrorists bomb women and children and seem impossible to get into the 21st Century from the evil medieval times, When you have seen your comrades in arms slaughtered (as i havewhile serving in the RAF in South Yemem in the early 1960s by the illiterate people who really should be left to live their own lives in isolation from modern society until they ALL want, without exception, to better themselves. Soldiers are soldiers not policemen. .They are trained to kill and overcome and here we have them trying to make life much better for the Afghanis and they are rewarded with cowardly attacks. Spray all the Poppy/Opium fields with Agent orange and leave them behind high border fences to live the lives they seem to want.
- B J Deller, ratbag, 18/4/2012 14:40


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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:19 pm 
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There's the phrase "honour amongst thieves" and it exists for a reason.

Regardless of the armies involved, regardless of the morality of war, regardless of the reason for the combat, what the US troops in question (and in other, similar cases) have done is inexplicable.

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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
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Why? They aren't trained to be social workers, after all. Their job is to kill and not feel bad about it. It's what we pay soldiers for. It shouldn't come as a surprise if that desensitizes them, by normal social standards.


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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
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Why? They aren't trained to be social workers, after all. Their job is to kill and not feel bad about it. It's what we pay soldiers for. It shouldn't come as a surprise if that desensitizes them, by normal social standards.

The 'job' of a thief is to steal and not feel bad about it, is it not?

What I'm saying is they should respect their enemy and treat their enemies - dead or alive - with respect. By that, I mean not posing with corpses, not urinating over prisoners and so forth.

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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
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That's not how it's ever been.
Live prisoners are generally respected, but that tends to apply to uniformed combatants, not irregulars.


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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
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Malcolm's right, the practice of defiling enemy corpses has gone on in every army in every conflict throughout history. It's part of the coping strategy. Dehumanise the corpse so that instead of thinking "Shit, I've just killed someone's son/father/brother/lover" they reduce it to a piece of meat, a ridiculous plaything.

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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
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Doesn't make it any less shocking or disrespectful, though.

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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
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Althea wrote:
Doesn't make it any less shocking or disrespectful, though.

War is shocking and disrespectful, it requires people to do revolting things.

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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
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Because there are rules. Their job is to kill, not to get off on it.


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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
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Have you ever thought about the actual process of killing and what it entails?


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 Post subject: Re: News that may not be found in the Mail.
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I repeat it is necessary to dehumanise the enemy so that they are not seen as human beings just like you. That is drilled into soldiers very early in their training, the military are very good at it and it's very effective. It is unrealistic to think that it's a tap which can be turned off.

In WWII it was fairly common practice for British troops to mutilate the bodies of certain German troops eg snipers or the SS. This they would do by cutting off their cocks and stuffing them in their mouths*. They would do this particularly when retreating so the advancing Germans would see them.

In the Pacific the Americans often would scalp dead Japanese.

*This particular practice has been recorded in the Middle Ages, in the Crusades and I think by the Goths fighting the Romans. Malcolm might know more about that.

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