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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:04 pm 
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Seen some of the responses to the article about Bloody Sunday?

Can the military not do anything wrong in some people's eyes?

One of the most depressing articles I've seen for a long time. Those irritating kind of self-satisfied, apparently brilliantly sarcastic yet pithy comments like 'Oh such a shame the victims all happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time' or 'Clearly a very peaceful protest' or 'Oh soon as Gerry Adams has apologised Cameron should do the same' etc.

This is the Mailites at their scummy worst. I really think they'd be making excuses if the beloved Paras just rounded up and gassed a large number of Catholics. I really do. They are devoted to the armed forces in a sort of religious way. Soldiers are paragons of every kind of virtue there is, who we should also follow and be lead by instead of the politicians of the EUSSR.

The Mail isn't funny any more. There's something very chilling about how it has defined the national pysche. To be honest, anyone to the left of Tebbit is in a minority in this country. The Mail's implanted its vile attitudes into the mind of most people in the street, sadly, especially in regard to the filthy army.

Returning to them - all the troops involved in Bloody Sunday should be lined up (unarmed) and gunned down by members of Sinn Fein. If only to see the Mailites hypocritically moan about innocents being slain.

Seriously, fuck the British army. They're all bloodthirsty war criminals at the end of the day. No, I know how you all don't like me leaping to conclusions like a Mailite, but if they were'nt, they wouldn't be in the filthy army, and they wouldn't close ranks and point-blank defend the most odious scumbags.

I can sympathise a bit with people being killed in the Falklands - these were victims of Thatcher too, just in a different way; though it's the 30 something NCOs in the likes of the Paras, SAS, Marines etc who really think they're it and believe in Conservatism and imperialism through and through who I hope all come back in pieces from Afghanistan.

(And I promised myself I wouldn't go on the Mail website and get angry today! Back to the essay I think.)


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:34 pm 
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"The Mail isn't funny any more. There's something very chilling about how it has defined the national pysche. To be honest, anyone to the left of Tebbit is in a minority in this country."

That is not true and the result of the very recent general election showed that. The right wing would like to think it was the case, and they expend a lot of energy trying to convince us that it is so, but facts do not bear it out. It MAY be true in SOME parts of the SE of England - I advance this as a theory because that is where the heartland of Mail readers is, not because I am familiar with that area. But from personal experience I know it is not true in the north of England or Scotland, and like it or not there are a lot of people in those areas who are just as British as people in the SE. The British people, now as always, tend towards the centre. There is a lot more compassion about than anyone would pick up from reading the DM and the comments there, which are largely from a self-selected group with a minority agenda.


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:42 pm 
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It MAY be true in SOME parts of the SE of England - I advance this as a theory because that is where the heartland of Mail readers is


Depends what part of the south east you go to. You range from the uber-conservative areas (Henley, southern Oxfordshire, posh bits of Surrey, rural Sussex) through to the cosmopolitan areas of Brighton, Portsmouth etc.

The biggest cunt I noticed today was on HYS (no, really?) who is now calling for an inquiry into the Birmingham bombings "because that was the real crime".

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Exactly. That's why the 'outrage' or 'fury' quoted in the headlines is usually emanating from either Christian Voice, ImmigrationWatch or the TaxDodgers Alliance.

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
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Malcolm put up a breakdown of where Mail readers are and who they are - viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2882&start=15

I based my remark on that.


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
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Returning to them - all the troops involved in Bloody Sunday should be lined up (unarmed) and gunned down by members of Sinn Fein. If only to see the Mailites hypocritically moan about innocents being slain.


Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth then eh Labour will?

Like i said before, bitterness aplenty in so many of your posts that you just come across as a deeply unpleasant individual.

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
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Emily Penson-Clark, who took the day off work to support the soldiers with her young daughter and parents said: 'I think the protesters are filth. I'm here to support our troops. They put their lives on the line for us. I've got three words: Help for Heroes.'

Which, if you can try to get into the mindset, means Emily links HfH with anti-Muslim sentiment.


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:01 pm 
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"The biggest cunt I noticed today was on HYS (no, really?) who is now calling for an inquiry into the Birmingham bombings "because that was the real crime"."

The Birmingham bombings that they've already convicted innocent people of?

The calls for investigations into IRA atrocities sum up a very key part of the whole debate. What Saville has found, after years upon years of fudge and denial, is that the people murdered on Bloody Sunday categorically were not IRA, either provisional or official. This, however, will not penetrate a certain psyche, found in common across hardline Unionism, Tories and the usual Our-Boys-Pudding-Pullers. Any open expression of Irish Nationalism, Irish Nationalist Politics, even mere Irishness whilst living in the Wee Six was and is morally identical to being a member of an IRA ASU. To them, NICRA was the IRA. So was the SDLP. Essentially, any gathering or organisation within NI or the Island of Ireland that was deemed to have too many Taigs in it was effectively, the IRA. It made a fine excuse, an easy justification. When the Miami Showband got shot up (by a gang including Police and Army), they were just dirty fenians running guns for the IRA. When Dublin and Monaghan were bombed (with assistance from the same gang as mentioned previously), well, that was merely fair play against those Irish cunts who supported the violence. When some fella left a GAA club or a Hibs hall after a few beers and caught a bullet in the head, well, sure everybody knew they were only IRA social clubs and playgrounds anyway. Essentially, and you'll see it as you scroll up and down the Mail comments, the notion that a Nationalist/Catholic could possibly be an innocent victim is anathema. It cannot possibly be considered.


As for the Shinners gunning down the Paras, though. Fuck. That. Noise. The innocents of Bloody Sunday have dealt long enough with the stench of false association with the IRA, and the various cunts and cornerboys of "The Provisional Wing" have had their step up on the corpses. I think, much like the victims families, in fact, that a vindicated, dignified rest is what they deserve now.

(In the interest of honesty, and full disclosure, I have a particular dog in this fight. My Grandmother and Grandfather were shot to ribbons by the UVF, in an incident which isn't entirely clear of the spoor of Police collusion. They had the misfortune to share a surname, but not a gene nor a drop of blood with an IRA man who lived some 20 miles away. You won't hear the likes of the above to your face, no, but I've heard it more than once behind my back. They must have been relatives. They must have been at something. Sure no smoke...)


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:08 pm 
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Emily Penson-Clark, who took the day off work to support the soldiers with her young daughter and parents said: 'I think the protesters are filth. I'm here to support our troops. They put their lives on the line for us. I've got three words: Help for Heroes.'

Which, if you can try to get into the mindset, means Emily links HfH with anti-Muslim sentiment.


I can think of three more words for Ms. Penson-Clark. I shan't broadcast them here as it's not yet post-watershed.

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:50 pm 
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And unsuprisingly the Mail account is swarming with BNP trolls...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... olent.html

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Why is it people supporting the troops are called far right extremists and the other group are called muslims.Lets see how Cameron deals with this as he said he would bring out a law for anyone inciting the armed forces, i wont hold my breath though, either way its a disgrace .If i stand outside a mosque with a placard slating allah what do you think would happen,your views are welcome.

- craig, camberley, 15/6/2010 16:35
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My view is that you're a f*cking plank, but I doubt that's the sort of "opinion" you're after. Besides, why should there be a law against criticising troops? I bet craig would be among the first complaining if there were a law against criticising politicians. Which just makes him a mental f*cking plank.

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:10 pm 
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Did anyone spot any evidence that these were "war heroes" as opposed to just "soldiers"?


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
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In the eyes of the Mail (and other tabloids), the two are mutually inclusive.

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
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Which is pretty much an insult to real heroes.

Some of the WW1 'heroes' who survived until recently never left England...


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:11 am 
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oh yeah, the classic "you can't protest if you are a muslim" idea is a good one.

apparently if you live in the UK you have to support "our boys" regardless of what they are doing.

you could argue that the right to protest is actually quite a british thing...

i like the idea that a police guard is in some way a bad thing too, would people really prefer some EDL vs muslims punch up in the street? i guess they would.

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
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Oh no, they wouldn't want an EDL / Muslim punch-up. The Muslims shouldn't be allowed to fight back.

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