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 Post subject: Re: Rampant racism
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It's not exactly rampant, but I think it's racist and offensive to use the word nude to describe something that is soft pink. The Mail's doing it more and more. Today we have Helena Bonham-Carter:
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Pictured wearing a futuristic nude dress

and Kate Middleton (bien sûr) opting for:
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a pair of classic patent nude courts

I suppose they have flesh-coloured crayons at Northcliffe House, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Rampant racism
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Surely that use of nude will have something to do with a diktat from the SEO bods in the office. After all, more people will be googling one-handed for Kate Middleton nude than Kate Middleton pinkish beige.


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It's not exactly rampant, but I think it's racist and offensive to use the word nude to describe something that is soft pink. The Mail's doing it more and more. Today we have Helena Bonham-Carter:
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Pictured wearing a futuristic nude dress

and Kate Middleton (bien sûr) opting for:
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a pair of classic patent nude courts

I suppose they have flesh-coloured crayons at Northcliffe House, too.


It's bizarre that they're doing it when everyone else decided to either stop using it or use it to refer to a range of colours. I remember I think it was Company magazine did a feature on nude, and included blush pinks, ivory, a sort of olive skin shade and rich dark browns as well as the traditional beige. Their advice was to wear a nude of someone on the opposite colour spectrum; you'll just look ill/rather odd if you wear clothes that match your skin shade, which seems to be borne out by the photos. Those shoes look awful, but then I don't like patent shoes in any other colour than black.

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 Post subject: Re: Rampant racism
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Have they jumped on the "no N word in new Dambusters" story yet?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-13727908

Not only are they dropping a term I expect a lot of mailites would love to still use, the film script is being written by awful gay leftie S. Fry and filmed by a forrin. I expect a lot of retired colonels to be having heart attacks shortly...


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 Post subject: Re: Rampant racism
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ezinra wrote:
It's not exactly rampant, but I think it's racist and offensive to use the word nude to describe something that is soft pink. The Mail's doing it more and more. Today we have Helena Bonham-Carter:
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Pictured wearing a futuristic nude dress

and Kate Middleton (bien sûr) opting for:
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a pair of classic patent nude courts

I suppose they have flesh-coloured crayons at Northcliffe House, too.


I always wondered what that nonsense was about.
Either she's wearing a dress, or she's nude.

I never made the link to caucasian skin tone
(Probably because that's a sort of duck egg blue up here in the chilly north).


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Dambusters dog to be renamed Digger for remake of iconic film... because N-word might offend Americans

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I believe that to be precisely the case, although being 'good' journos they have internalised their brief and don't need much winding up. A lot of 'Daily Mail Reporter' stuff is a group effort in the pub, I have heard.


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So, to recap, a naughty word which isn't actually broadcast on Radio 4 is disgraceful and disgusting, whilst a different naughty word with racial overtones mentioned several times through a major motion picture is absolutely ok.

Well, that's alright then.


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 Post subject: Re: Rampant racism
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To repeat what I said about this (much) earlier:

In a way, this is perfect for the DM. First of all, look who's writing the script - Stephen Fry. Public enemy number one. Then look at this in context - the remaking of an established classic movie, one that is British to its core, by an uppity colonial and those damned Yanks. Perfect for whipping up some outrage!

Out of all the things one could pick this planned film up on, they go for the name of the dog. Not the technical specifications of the aircraft or the bombs. Not the historical timeline. Not the message of the film - will it be an air-punching celebration of British pluck and ingenuity, of amateurish enthusiasm and improvisation versus regimented, mass-produced professional uniformity*, or maybe a more modern "war is hell" message? Do any of these things matter at all?

No. As long as the dog's called 'Nigger', they may as well set the bastard on the moon, and cast Justin Beebur and Miley Cyrus as the leads. Listen. You can hear them. "Gotta be called nigger. Need a dog called nigger. Nigger, nigger, nigger. Don't care about the rest of it. Just want to hear them say nigger. NEE-GAAAH!! Nigganigganigga, come to daddy. NIG! NIG! NIG!

...

...nigguh."

So, in summary, what they really want to hear is people saying one of the most offensive and loaded words in the English language (and don't go all Chris Rock on me - it's different when he says it because a). his background puts him in the 'you don't know, you weren't there' box, b). yes it is different when a black person says it, and c). oh fuck it, come and explain to me - with diagrams - the importance (strategically, propaganda-wise, cultural legacy of) and impact (short and long term, and again militarily and culturally) of Operation Chastise, and if you can do that satisfactorially, then you can go on the roof and howl Nigger). Which suggests that their concern is not so much historical accuracy, but the importance of shouting Nigger.

Which kind of tells you a bit about them.

*From a Winston Churchill note to the British film induatry in 1943, British propaganda was to stress the 'let's all muck in and hope for the best' nature of the war effort, compared to the organised, professional and above all prepared nature of the Axis powers. A theme that continued in popular culture after the war, also known as "Disney morality**" and reached its zenith in the film "Cool Runnings".

**"Whatever you do is OK, because you're the good guys. Murder, lie, cheat, steal - OK, because you're the good guys. Meanwhile, the enemy (whoever that is) is incapable of doing right. Because they're the bad guys. That's Disney Morality.

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 Post subject: Re: Rampant racism
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A theme that continued in popular culture after the war, also known as "Disney morality**" and reached its zenith in the film "Cool Runnings".

I think the summit was 'Carry on Dick'.
Rest of your rant: yes, YES, YESSSSSSS.


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Andy McDandy wrote:
To repeat what I said about this (much) earlier:

In a way, this is perfect for the DM. First of all, look who's writing the script - Stephen Fry. Public enemy number one. Then look at this in context - the remaking of an established classic movie, one that is British to its core, by an uppity colonial and those damned Yanks. Perfect for whipping up some outrage!

Out of all the things one could pick this planned film up on, they go for the name of the dog. Not the technical specifications of the aircraft or the bombs. Not the historical timeline. Not the message of the film - will it be an air-punching celebration of British pluck and ingenuity, of amateurish enthusiasm and improvisation versus regimented, mass-produced professional uniformity*, or maybe a more modern "war is hell" message? Do any of these things matter at all?

No. As long as the dog's called 'Nigger', they may as well set the bastard on the moon, and cast Justin Beebur and Miley Cyrus as the leads. Listen. You can hear them. "Gotta be called nigger. Need a dog called nigger. Nigger, nigger, nigger. Don't care about the rest of it. Just want to hear them say nigger. NEE-GAAAH!! Nigganigganigga, come to daddy. NIG! NIG! NIG!

...

...nigguh."

So, in summary, what they really want to hear is people saying one of the most offensive and loaded words in the English language (and don't go all Chris Rock on me - it's different when he says it because a). his background puts him in the 'you don't know, you weren't there' box, b). yes it is different when a black person says it, and c). oh fuck it, come and explain to me - with diagrams - the importance (strategically, propaganda-wise, cultural legacy of) and impact (short and long term, and again militarily and culturally) of Operation Chastise, and if you can do that satisfactorially, then you can go on the roof and howl Nigger). Which suggests that their concern is not so much historical accuracy, but the importance of shouting Nigger.

Which kind of tells you a bit about them.

*From a Winston Churchill note to the British film induatry in 1943, British propaganda was to stress the 'let's all muck in and hope for the best' nature of the war effort, compared to the organised, professional and above all prepared nature of the Axis powers. A theme that continued in popular culture after the war, also known as "Disney morality**" and reached its zenith in the film "Cool Runnings".

**"Whatever you do is OK, because you're the good guys. Murder, lie, cheat, steal - OK, because you're the good guys. Meanwhile, the enemy (whoever that is) is incapable of doing right. Because they're the bad guys. That's Disney Morality.


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Surely that use of nude will have something to do with a diktat from the SEO bods in the office. After all, more people will be googling one-handed for Kate Middleton nude than Kate Middleton pinkish beige.


e.g.

Yee-haw! Country girl Beyoncé goes nearly nude for magazine spread as she poses seductively in a tin bath

After a cursory look at the article it soon becomes clear that 'nearly nude' means wearing a swimming costume and cowboy boots, so the whole thing is just an excuse to catch anyone Googling the phrase 'Beyoncé nude'. They manage to get the word 'naked' into the article to cover that base too:

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"The 29-year-old singer posed in various poses in the country-themed shoot including a near naked pose in a tin bath in the middle of a field."


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Andy McDandy wrote:
To repeat what I said about this (much) earlier:

In a way, this is perfect for the DM. First of all, look who's writing the script - Stephen Fry. Public enemy number one. Then look at this in context - the remaking of an established classic movie, one that is British to its core, by an uppity colonial and those damned Yanks. Perfect for whipping up some outrage!

Out of all the things one could pick this planned film up on, they go for the name of the dog. Not the technical specifications of the aircraft or the bombs. Not the historical timeline. Not the message of the film - will it be an air-punching celebration of British pluck and ingenuity, of amateurish enthusiasm and improvisation versus regimented, mass-produced professional uniformity*, or maybe a more modern "war is hell" message? Do any of these things matter at all?

No. As long as the dog's called 'Nigger', they may as well set the bastard on the moon, and cast Justin Beebur and Miley Cyrus as the leads. Listen. You can hear them. "Gotta be called nigger. Need a dog called nigger. Nigger, nigger, nigger. Don't care about the rest of it. Just want to hear them say nigger. NEE-GAAAH!! Nigganigganigga, come to daddy. NIG! NIG! NIG!

...

...nigguh."

So, in summary, what they really want to hear is people saying one of the most offensive and loaded words in the English language (and don't go all Chris Rock on me - it's different when he says it because a). his background puts him in the 'you don't know, you weren't there' box, b). yes it is different when a black person says it, and c). oh fuck it, come and explain to me - with diagrams - the importance (strategically, propaganda-wise, cultural legacy of) and impact (short and long term, and again militarily and culturally) of Operation Chastise, and if you can do that satisfactorially, then you can go on the roof and howl Nigger). Which suggests that their concern is not so much historical accuracy, but the importance of shouting Nigger.

Which kind of tells you a bit about them.

*From a Winston Churchill note to the British film induatry in 1943, British propaganda was to stress the 'let's all muck in and hope for the best' nature of the war effort, compared to the organised, professional and above all prepared nature of the Axis powers. A theme that continued in popular culture after the war, also known as "Disney morality**" and reached its zenith in the film "Cool Runnings".

**"Whatever you do is OK, because you're the good guys. Murder, lie, cheat, steal - OK, because you're the good guys. Meanwhile, the enemy (whoever that is) is incapable of doing right. Because they're the bad guys. That's Disney Morality.


Great piece.

If I could build on the "Keep buggering on" Vs "Teutonic efficiency" angle...

A quick study will show that German war production was (outside a few lucky strikes) haphazardly organised,
lacking in standardisation, and wasted vast quantities of resource on vanity projects. It relied heavily on competition between private contractors (admittedly all highly reliant on state contracts for profits).

By contrast the British were fairly effective at stepping up their war production through focus on necessary equipment,
converting civilian production to war industry and practical exploitation of innovation.
You won't hear a lot about that from the mail or the National curriculum since it took place on Ernest Bevin's watch
through the Emergency Powers and Defence act.
This runs counter to today's preferred views that "The state can't do things efficiently", "You can't let trade unionists run things".

It's worth mentioning that (of the other powers)

USA achieved a mass of production through outsourcing war production to its largest industries.

USSR did pretty well through radical standardisation, and ignoring anything that wasn't considered frontline (It can also be argued that where they gambled on specific technological solutions they won big).

Japan (Like USA) relied on its largest industries to build it's weapons. That they failed to accelerate war production while the USA did is open to debate.
My preferred theories are based on Japan's paucity of raw materials (coupled with USA's trade embargo), and the Military's head up arse insistence that fighting spirit alone mattered, and could counter any inferiority in equipment.


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