The Mail and 'Christianophobia'

oboogie · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:47 pm

visage wrote:

Tough. Why should someone's particular brand of fairy tale require that the NHS offer differing treatment regimes?

If that isnt acceptable then perhaps adherents should ask why an ostensibly loving God prohibits the treatment that might save their life.

Because the argument that all religion is a fairy tale has yet to be won.
Is it just treatment that you object to, or do you extend it to include other areas of their provision e.g. diet as well? Is it, in your view, unacceptable for hospitals to provide vegetarian/halal/kosher food?

Gourami · **Joined:** Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:51 pm **Posts:** 2005

It is often safer to be in chains than to be free.
- Franz Kafka

Northerly Swell · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:23 pm

Quote:

Yes, in some circumstances they do. It's called diversity.

Not a new policy invented by the PC stasi nazis either. During WW1 Brighton Pavilion was used as a hospital for Indian regiments. It was split into different wards, kitchens and places of prayer to cater for Hindu, Sikh and Muslim soldiers.

http://www.black-history.org.uk/pavilionindian.asp

oboogie · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:25 pm

Gourami wrote:

It is often safer to be in chains than to be free.
- Franz Kafka

When?

Gourami · **Joined:** Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:51 pm **Posts:** 2005

When they're going around killing heretics.

oboogie · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:19 pm

Gourami wrote:

When they're going around killing heretics.

Which people are killing heretics?

Gourami · **Joined:** Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:51 pm **Posts:** 2005

Now or throughout history?

oboogie · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:25 pm

Gourami wrote:

Now or throughout history?

O'Boogie wrote:

Which people are killing heretics?

Present tense was the one I used.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:32 pm

Iran are killing heretics, other countries are just advocating it.

oboogie · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:54 pm

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

Iran are killing heretics, other countries are just advocating it.

Of course.

However, in context, my question stemmed from the discussion above which was specifically about Britain (the NHS).
I was puzzled as to the relevance Gourami's Kafka quote had on that, to which he responded that "they" are killing heretics.
I wondered who "they" were.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:08 pm

I don't think Kafka meant it like that.

oboogie · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:11 pm

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

I don't think Kafka meant it like that.

Quite.
Hence my confusion.
I was hoping that Gourami could enlighten me as to the connection between that and the NHS catering for a multicultural society.

shyamz · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:31 pm

Carlos The Badger wrote:

Silkyman wrote:

Andy McDandy wrote:

Almost as if one is, through being resident in Britain (or indeed 'the west'), by default Christian until they actively choose another (or no) faith. That's getting worryingly close to the BNP/EDL 'Cultural Britishness' argument.

I had to take my one year old daughter to A and E the other day (She'd banged her head earlier in the day and was then very lethargic and being sick.. We thought concussion, but it was an unrelated virus and all is ok now.... if you were wondering..)

When I was going through the details with the woman on reception, she asked her religion....

'None..'

'I'll just pur C of E then shall I?'

'Erm'

Couldn't be arsed arguing the toss. Mildly panicky first time parenting does that to you.

I've been asked that a few times - and they've been insistent that that they had to put "something" down and "None" was not an option. Buddhist or Rastafarian soon shuts them up.

Hmm, almost sounds prejudiced against athiests just to reduce the number of people officialy registered as non-religious doesn't it? Not that you could ever get anyone to understand that possibility.

oboogie · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:58 pm

shyamz wrote:

Hmm, almost sounds prejudiced against athiests just to reduce the number of people officialy registered as non-religious doesn't it? Not that you could ever get anyone to understand that possibility.

It does, doesn't it. Almost.
What I don't get is why would the NHS orchestrate such a conspiracy?
What's in it for them?
Alternatively, it could be cock-up, a bureaucratic error which has resulted in "None" not being an option.
It wouldn't be the worst example of piss-poor form design that I've ever seen.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:07 pm

Never ascribe to malice that which can be more easily explained as stupidity.

I like this:
http://www.thenewjournalist.co.uk/2012/ ... ecularism/

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