The Mail and 'Christianophobia'

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:56 am

I think the comments amply illustrate and prove his point.

visage · **Joined:** Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:05 pm **Posts:** 307

He's spot on, and should be applauded.

oboogie · **Posted:** Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:25 am

I made the mistake of reading the comments, what a shower of ignorant cunts.

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:17 pm

Andy McDandy wrote:

Blimey, it's turned into the letters page of the NME. "They did some good stuff in their time but they're dickheads now..."

Brilliant! The Christians? Well, I liked Forgotten Town.

Someone I know went to school with them, and they were quite hard kids. He reckons it's quite cool to have been bullied by someone who went on to record Ideal World.

Bones McCoy · **Joined:** Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:08 am **Posts:** 7330

This week's double word score is Totalitarian..

Gourami · **Joined:** Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:51 pm **Posts:** 2005

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1mdCz7amE

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England is a Christian Country, and if Phillips don't like it he can leave NOW Why his he still in a job is Harperson keeping him there??

- Daleabb, Nottingham, 17/2/2012 15:36

Another example of the 'Christians own Britain and decide everything' argument. This was true, once. Not now and boy are they whining about it.

Must be all of those Christians you see cramming into churches every Sunday. Queueing round the block to get in.

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He can always use one of our wonderful freedoms the right to leave, so off you pop close the door on your way out Trevor!

- Tracie, Leeds, 17/2/2012 13:06

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...all who hate the Lord have no idea that they are living on Christian Credit and trying to show it as their own or that of their Godless forefathers.

- Kelvin, Neasden, 17/2/2012 11:49

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If this was a secular Country then we would have to agree. BUT! This is a Christian country. Not atheist or Islamic or anything else. CHRISTIAN. Dont like living in a tolerant Christian Society? LEAVE. Unlike some other countries, we will allow you to do just that,

- nicholas firbank, doncaster, 17/2/2012

Irony fail

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look, it's a Christian country! If these immigrants don't like it they know where the airport is!

- Charlie, Evesham, 17/2/2012 10:28

Not a single mention of immigrants in the article. Very popular view though.

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IF i went too a islamic Country to live, would i beable too be Christain, NO, This a Christian Country, and if nobody likes our tolerant faith, the door is open, and dont forget too close it on the way out, Its seems we are the onley Country that gets persercuted for being Christian in our own Country. MR PHILLIPS if you dont like our Laws you now where too go....

- pam, somewhere in the uk, 17/2/2012

pam doesn't seem aware that Christians live in Islamic countries (or of the rules of grammar). Granted, they are frequently persecuted but millions are also free to practice their beliefs.

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All faith groups should turn their backs upon secular society. Stop doing things that benefit society and just help their own. Turn all faith schools into self funding trusts - for members of the respective faith ONLY. stop all outreach work, adoption work, helping the needy. Charity begins at home. Let the State pick up the rest. That would break the State which would have to pick up all the pieces. Stop feeding the monster - do no activities that will fall to the State.

- Geoff, Worcester England, 17/2/2012 8:21

How very christian this bunch are. You can feel the love as all of those cheeks are turned.

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Bring out the SACK and lets save a LOT of cash

- Bill p, france, 17/2/2012 8:45

Despite having a potato for a brain Bill wants to play too.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I cannot fucking wait for the census data to be published. With any luck it will provide some empirical evidence which can simply be quoted the moment some bell-end starts bleating about this being a Christian country.

CerealDave · **Joined:** Fri May 27, 2011 10:46 pm **Posts:** 64

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ow-up.html

Martin Samuel sums up kinda how I feel, though he forgets the difference between atheism with secularism.

Martin Samuel wrote:

The problem with secularism is not intolerance, as Tory peer Baroness Warsi claims; it’s snobbery.

Intellectual snobbery, actually. Secularists see religious people as none too bright. Sorry.

Honestly, no offence intended, but to a non-believer, the leap of logic required to faithfully invest in the concept of a supernatural being — one that is turned to in times of minor personal crisis but takes a laissez-faire approach to war and genocide — is so great as to appear little short of ridiculous.

So a person with faith appears ridiculous, too.

I know this is wrong. I know this is judgmental. I admire a lot of the principles of religious faith.

I am certainly not intolerant of those who wish to behave charitably towards their fellow man.

But the logic. I cannot get beyond the logic.

‘How can you believe that?’ I wonder. ‘You seemed so sensible.’

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:35 pm

Looks about 100% to me...

Gourami · **Joined:** Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:51 pm **Posts:** 2005

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‘How can you believe that?’ I wonder. ‘You seemed so sensible.’

There's the rub. This is the point when discussions about religion lurch into 'leap of faith' territory. Theism is inherently irrational. It is grounded in emotion, not thought. I don't think this is a smart way to run a country but plenty do. In fact, they're so sure of it they feel it in their bones. Always a good guide.

Esqui · **Posted:** Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:07 pm

Gourami wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102385/Equalities-chief-Trevor-Phillips-accuses-Christians-trying-impose-form-sharia-law.html#ixzz1mdCz7amE

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England is a Christian Country, and if Phillips don't like it he can leave NOW Why his he still in a job is Harperson keeping him there??

- Daleabb, Nottingham, 17/2/2012 15:36

Another example of the 'Christians own Britain and decide everything' argument. This was true, once. Not now and boy are they whining about it.

Must be all of those Christians you see cramming into churches every Sunday. Queueing round the block to get in.

I have found a new favourite Bible quote which seems quite relevant: When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. Better it is that thou shouldest not vow than that thou shouldest vow and not pay

In other words, God looks more favourably upon those who don't call themselves Christian than those who call themselves Christian but don't do anything to worship him. Or so it seems. Don't go to Church weekly? Worse than an atheist.

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:44 pm

I've been amused at this new definition of Christian meaning anyone who lives in Britain and has vaguely nice values.

I used to go to a C of E school with religious service every day. I now think we missed a trick by attending it. We ought to have gone up to the headmaster and said we were weren't coming, but we'd spent the time standing around not killing or stealing, because that was good enough.

Silkyman · **Joined:** Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:31 am **Posts:** 760

Bones McCoy wrote:

Silkyman wrote:

Bones McCoy wrote:

Not unless that bloke off Pirates of the Carribean starts porking your missus.

Wasn't it Brad Pitt in 'Troy'?

If he wants to have a swap, I'm sure I can try my hand at Angelina Jolie for a bit...

My reference was to Orlando Bloom who played Paris. By cuckolding Menelaeus he provided brother and high king Agamenmon with justification to launch his invasion.
Orlando bloom also played the part of Legolas the elf in lord of the rings, some Blacksmith turned good in Pirates of the Carribean, and a blacksmith turned good in Kingdom of heaven.
I quite like his acting, but he needs to lay off the Blacksmithing and Archery lest he gets typecast.

Pardon?

Sorry.. I was sidetracked by the thought of Angelina Jolie.....

Kreuzberger · **Posted:** Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm

[quote: Some illiterate chimp.]England is a Christian Country, and if Phillips don't like it he can leave NOW Why his he still in a job is Harperson keeping him there??

- Daleabb, Nottingham, 17/2/2012 15:36[/quote]

The strong implication being that Philips can fuck off back to where he came from. One for the "Rampant Racism" thread, too?

Big Rob · **Posted:** Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:49 pm

Messianic Trees wrote:

Equalities chief tells Christians: You're no different to Muslims who want sharia law

Equalities chief points out the bleeding obvious.... if only we could take on board the nie parts of Islam.

(Some) Christians and (Some) Muslims from the crusades until today...

"We are right about being wrong!!!"

Big Rob · **Posted:** Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:57 pm

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I cannot fucking wait for the census data to be published. With any luck it will provide some empirical evidence which can simply be quoted the moment some bell-end starts bleating about this being a Christian country.

That doesn't even bother me. Christianity/Islam/Judaism were all wrong from the off no matter how many people believe(d) in that utter shit.

I just want true free speech and not the intolerant mail totalitarianism through mob bullying.

Stalin exercised free speech. Just it was his own free speech. Most Mailites are wannabe Stalins and Hitlers.

Philips should fuck off abroad for pointing out a painful truth, albeit with mail distortion.....

Mailite 'freedom of speech' (totally devoid of reciprocity) for ya....

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