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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:58 am 
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Comments on the cross in the crematorium story have gone unmoderated. Get stuck in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ions.html#


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
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The researchers said the number of Christians had only held up to the extent it has because of high levels of immigration over the last decade

What are those strange popping noises I can hear in the distance?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:05 pm 
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I thought we were secular anyway? Mind you, I don't even know what secular means!

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:41 pm 
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We're not, in that we're the only country in the EU or G8 that has religious figures as (unelected and unbootoutable) members of the state legislature.

Even in countries where one might think religious observance plays a greater role in daily life (for instance Spain, Italy or Ireland, or even the USA), the bishops don't get to vote on laws.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
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But they, or their equivalents, do in Iran...


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
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Ah, fair enough. I've always felt a little sorry for the Sikhs and Hindus, because they get so much collateral due to the rampant hatred of Asian/Indian peoples.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:37 am 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17249099

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:26 pm 
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I took my life in my hands and looked at some of the comments on the Telegraph website for that story.

Made the Mail look like very epitome of considered reasoned debate. :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:45 pm 
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We're not, in that we're the only country in the EU or G8 that has religious figures as (unelected and unbootoutable) members of the state legislature.

Even in countries where one might think religious observance plays a greater role in daily life (for instance Spain, Italy or Ireland, or even the USA), the bishops don't get to vote on laws.

Ah, I see.

And don't get me started on that Torygraph article. Not a happy bunny over it.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
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Militant neo-atheists are busting a gut to drive Christians off the radar, says Delia as she mounts defence in religious 'running battle'

There is no battle.... intellectually at least....

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:41 am 
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Richard Dawkins always makes me feel sad, he always looks as though hes hungry for something, always trying to push his opinions on others, and spends a lifetime trying to prove, what? He could make a real difference if only he found salvation in a man who loves him...... silly man x but loveable at that!

- pat sparks, dorset, 10/3/2012 23:34

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:26 am 
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Mail on Sunday Comment this morning:

Formidable Delia right to raise the alarm

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z1onaAsc9C

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Delia Smith is not exactly a prophet crying in the wilderness. She is best known for two very mainstream enthusiasms, simple cookery and a love of football.

That is why her website outburst against militant secularists is so interesting. If Delia is worried about the marginalisation of Christianity in this country, it is a sign that this concern has spread well beyond the devout, the pious and the fundamentalists.

There has been a long and rather strange catalogue of faintly disturbing cases involving preachers, hotel owners, nurses, teachers, airline staff, registrars, foster parents and others. Much of Britain has shrugged. That was because these incidents frequently involved eccentric or quirky individuals, and so failed to alarm the great mass of ordinary, respectable people.

But there have now been so many such episodes that it is clear something wide and deep is going on.

Politicians, and major media organisations as well, would be wise to take it seriously. It does not arise from any detailed religious loyalty – that died in this country during and after the 1914 to 1918 war.

It arises from a sense that the country in which many millions of people grew up is being dismantled and erased all round them.

Christian beliefs, Christian assumptions, Christian music, literature and architecture surrounded several generations of people, who are still living and vigorous.

Only the remotest and wildest parts of our country lack church spires or towers. Few Welsh towns or villages are without their chapels – though many of these houses of worship are now empty and abandoned.

The poetry and music of British public ceremony and of British private life are full of Christian references. Royal occasions are clearly Christian, and even the architecture of the Palace of Westminster is Christian in origin.

To be British, for tens of millions of people, is to be vaguely but definitely Christian in sympathy. Yet those same tens of millions have begun to notice that a new and rival system of beliefs is warring for supremacy with the old one.

They hear a peremptory tone of impatience and intolerance in the utterances of the modern State and its allies. They feel that a familiar world is being snatched away from them, much as they feel when a beloved view is invaded with wind farms.

And they do not like it. They are right not to like it. And Delia Smith is right to speak out against it.

The militant secularists have acquired a formidable enemy, with a longer reach and a larger audience than any archbishop.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
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Isn't "devout secularists" a bit of an oxymoron?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
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A bit like abstaining the hell out of your partner.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail and 'Christianophobia'
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:40 am 
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I guess.

I can't explain just how angry this is getting me.

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