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 Post subject: The Mail vs the EDL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:29 pm 
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Look, I know you lot think I'm a troll/rightwing nutcase/whatever, but I can take the piss out the Mail as well you know!
Anyone ever noticed their agenda against the EDL? Trying to badmouth the group as we all know the Mail's elite paymasters absolutely hate grassroots, working class organisations. They need to make their minds up which side of the fence they're really on - are they opposed to militant islam, or are they not?
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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:32 pm 
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If you're going to be sensible you'll get a sensible answer.
I think we saw part of the reason today, when Neesom was cross-examined at Leveson. As editrix of the Star she flirted heavily with the EDL. The Mail wants to put clear water between itself and the likes of the Star and its readership.
Similarly the Mail is quite happy to flirt with UKIP, but needs to maintain distance from the Express, so won't really go there. It's partly politics (Dacre is a strange mixture of contradictions) and partly marketing.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:37 pm 
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Could it be that not even the mail is thick enough to support edl?


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:37 pm 
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I've always held that the Mail's main objection to the EDL/BNP/etc is that the Mail finds them rather vulgar and crude.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:41 pm 
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
If you're going to be sensible you'll get a sensible answer.
I think we saw part of the reason today, when Neesom was cross-examined at Leveson. As editrix of the Star she flirted heavily with the EDL. The Mail wants to put clear water between itself and the likes of the Star and its readership.
Similarly the Mail is quite happy to flirt with UKIP, but needs to maintain distance from the Express, so won't really go there. It's partly politics (Dacre is a strange mixture of contradictions) and partly marketing.

That's a good point actually, I never really thought of it like that before. I suppose the fact that EDL members don't tend to be middleclass doesn't help either.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:45 pm 
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The Mail readers love the EDL though... it's just that not even the DM is thick enough to say they support the hateful, drunken and thuggish EDL.

However the DM does support the EDL in a way with its spurious reporting of articles regarding Muslims.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
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There's also the question of law and order. Generally the Mailities are heavy on this (not motoring offences or tax dodging obviously). The EDL do keep ending up in court for raping children, beating people up, criminal damage etc They also have some very nasty friends in Northern Ireland, I'm afraid it's only a matter of time before someone gets shot or they blow up a mosque or something. The Mail won't want to risk being seen to support full-blown terrorists.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:49 pm 
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I think that's part of Dacre's complexity.

He seems genuinely moved by Steven Lawrence, partly because it is in some tenuous way connected to him, yet he allows implied racism in many different ways. He speaks powerfully about justice, and then advocates denying it.

As a youth he was a liberal and a leftie, he married a teacher. He doesn't have the Eton and Oxbridge background of many Fleetstreeters. He turned down a very good offer from the Dirty Digger, taking the Mail rather than the Times.

He supported Gordon Brown, and only lost interest in Tony Blair because he thought Alastair Campbell was feeding the press lies and disinformation. He is not an automatic Tory but he believes his core readership are.

He is massively successful at maintaining a narrative for middle England. He knows his audience perhaps better than any other editor. For some reason he hates the BBC.

He is personally shy, but his management style is aggressively bullying.

He is a middle-class kid who has worked his way up to a Scottish castle and estate.

Paradoxical.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
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STALKER! :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
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Carlos The Badger wrote:
STALKER! :shock:

Pardon?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
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Stick E U in the headline and the low intellectual capacity people from UKIP stand up and shout REFERENDUM. That is all they can say, one word. Nothing about Education, the NHS, Banking, Economy, Rail, Roads, Armed Services, the list is endless. UKIP is the party for the feeble minded.


Just like 50 years ago when an Old Etonian, MacMillan was P M and ran the Country like an old club for his business friends and Bankers. Now we have Cameron an Old Etonian, who runs the Country like an old club for his busines friends and Bankers.

Of course, if Scotland vote for full independence and are succesful , UKIP have nothing to campaingn on so they FAIL. Farage hits the buffers and goes away in the sunset. Best thing ever!

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
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oboogie wrote:
Carlos The Badger wrote:
STALKER! :shock:

Pardon?

:lol: Red Malcolm knows FAR too much about Papa Doc. Hence... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
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Carlos The Badger wrote:
oboogie wrote:
Carlos The Badger wrote:
STALKER! :shock:

Pardon?

:lol: Red Malcolm knows FAR too much about Papa Doc. Hence... :lol:

Ah. Sorry. Being slow here, I wonder why? Твоё здоровье!

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
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oboogie wrote:
Ah. Sorry. Being slow here, I wonder why? Твоё здоровье!

Cheers. He's either decided to become an international hitman or he's the Don Revie of Mailwatchers!

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs the EDL
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Straight Talker wrote:
I suppose the fact that EDL members don't tend to be middleclass doesn't help either.

Well there's also the whole issue of the Mail's readership and class. They self-declare as middle class, yet usually decry anyone displaying middle class traits as a 'stuck up snob'. It all depends how we define class of course - and that's a massive subject - but by my definition they aren't. I suspect most Mailities are actually aspirational working class. They like to think they're a cut above The Sun/Mirror/Star readership but they're not really that different, they secretly know it and causes massive resentment.

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