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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:54 pm 
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Well not having heard much of Weller's solo albums I listened to Wake Up the Nation a while back as it was so well acclaimed with "return to form " type reviews but I was really disappointed with it.
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A lot of what you say applies to hip hop too.

As for Weller - I wouldn't even say I'm a fan of the Style Council but I remember my friend who's a couple of years older than me loving them. They sounded unlike anything I listened to at the time (now I know more about music but I was pretty young then). This song still goes through my head on a regular basis. Compare it to all that modfather dullness..



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Punk influenced just about everything and still does. The two biggest shake-ups in modern culture were rock'n'roll in mid-fifties American and punk twenty-odd years later in Britain.


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davidjay wrote:
Punk influenced just about everything and still does. The two biggest shake-ups in modern culture were rock'n'roll in mid-fifties American and punk twenty-odd years later in Britain.


So where does electronic music fit in?

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mojojojo wrote:
davidjay wrote:
Punk influenced just about everything and still does. The two biggest shake-ups in modern culture were rock'n'roll in mid-fifties American and punk twenty-odd years later in Britain.


So where does electronic music fit in?


What's your definition of electronic?


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Post Punk (78-80) was massive in influencing the alternative music of the 1980's and alot of that music is were electronic music comes from.


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Didn't this have an influence?



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davidjay wrote:
Punk influenced just about everything and still does. The two biggest shake-ups in modern culture were rock'n'roll in mid-fifties American and punk twenty-odd years later in Britain.

Massively sweeping. What about television, the internet? Even if we stick to music, what about The Beatles who remain the blue print for every rock band since, or the influence of Soul and Motown?

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oboogie wrote:
davidjay wrote:
Punk influenced just about everything and still does. The two biggest shake-ups in modern culture were rock'n'roll in mid-fifties American and punk twenty-odd years later in Britain.

Massively sweeping. What about television, the internet? Even if we stick to music, what about The Beatles who remain the blue print for every rock band since, or the influence of Soul and Motown?


Who influenced the Beatles?


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Re: The Beatles - I believe it was Victor Lewis-Smith who observed correctly that the Beatles are dying in the wrong order.

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davidjay wrote:
mojojojo wrote:
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Punk influenced just about everything and still does. The two biggest shake-ups in modern culture were rock'n'roll in mid-fifties American and punk twenty-odd years later in Britain.


So where does electronic music fit in?


What's your definition of electronic?


Well specifically I'm thinking about house and techno. I guess disco was an influence, which you could probably trace back through soul to blues etc, but they stand on their own and have a huge bearing on loads of the music that we hear today.

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I'd be really interested to see some examples of what influence punk has today, as I'm firmly convinced that it was a manufactured style fad with only the most superficial influence even at the time.


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davidjay wrote:
oboogie wrote:
davidjay wrote:
Punk influenced just about everything and still does. The two biggest shake-ups in modern culture were rock'n'roll in mid-fifties American and punk twenty-odd years later in Britain.

Massively sweeping. What about television, the internet? Even if we stick to music, what about The Beatles who remain the blue print for every rock band since, or the influence of Soul and Motown?


Who influenced the Beatles?

Loads of diverse people but predominately the Rock and Roll and Soul/Motown of the '50s/early '60s. However, by 1962 Rock and Roll was dead; Elvis was in the army, Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis were either in prison or disgraced, Little Richard had forsworn the "devil's music" and Buddy Holly and Eddie Cochran were literally dead.

The Beatles:
Inspired a generation of spotty teenagers to pick up guitars and write songs, who subsequently went on to form the bands of the later sixties and seventies.
Set the expectation that bands should be self contained units, playing and singing on their own records, writing and arranging their own songs, selecting their own cover material.
Developed the album -rather than the single
Developed big outdoor concerts
Along with Dylan took songwriting away from simple love songs to being about virtually any subject.
Started world music
Started benefit concerts.
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mojojojo wrote:

Well specifically I'm thinking about house and techno. I guess disco was an influence, which you could probably trace back through soul to blues etc, but they stand on their own and have a huge bearing on loads of the music that we hear today.


They do, but equally the punk DIY ethos helped them, certainly by making the mainstream more accessible. I don't think anything stands on its own - all music has influences.


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