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I am getting really annoyed by the amount of call for demanding of a general election. John Major didn't have an election for an another 2 years, when Maggie step down.

Under the British constitution, the PM is the leader of the party with the most seats in the Commons, he doesn't need to call an election for the next 4 years.

PS: I am not a Labour or a Brownite, just someone who (tries to) understand the routine


Yeah. Why the fuck didn't Churchill call an election when he was first made PM?

The problem with most people in democratic societies is that they want democracy when it suits them but not when it doesn't. The classic example is the death penalty. I'm willing to bet that a majority of people in this country would want a referendum on whether the death penalty should be restored. However, ask them about specific circumstances, whether people with mental problems should be executed, or maybe whether abused children who kill their abusers should be hanged and you're more likely to get the answer that the politicians should work out the details because the individual voter just simply can't be arsed.

This is why we have representative democracy. We elect a representative that kind of reflects our views, and they go off and sort out the details: Including electing the Prime Minister. Anything else is a recipe for rule by the mob.


Judging by the comments on the Mail site, they really don't understand the idea that government is representative. A lot of them seem to think we should have a referendum on every single issue they have an (ill-informed) opinion on. But they've had their say at the ballot box; and unfortunately for them, that's how government works. We elect politicians to run the country and make the best decisions for the UK as a whole, not the decisions that are best for you personally, Mr Mail Reader. Politicians run this country; you don't. You just have an input into which politicians run the country. And if it's not the ones you wanted, tough shit. Perhaps your silent majority should have got off their arses and voted (unless they don't exist - surely not?)

Funny how they want a referendum on so many issues, but condemn the use of focus groups as a ridiculous commie socialist idea.

I also am not feeling very Browny by the way. I think it may take a while to kick in. Blair's been PM all of my adult life. That's a big change to come to terms with.


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Antigherkin wrote:
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I am getting really annoyed....


Yeah. Why the fuck didn't Churchill....


Judging by the comments on the Mail site, they really don't understand the idea that government is representative. A lot of them seem to think we should have a referendum on every single issue they have an (ill-informed) opinion on. But they've had their say at the ballot box; and unfortunately for them, that's how government works. We elect politicians to run the country and make the best decisions for the UK as a whole, not the decisions that are best for you personally, Mr Mail Reader. Politicians run this country; you don't. You just have an input into which politicians run the country. And if it's not the ones you wanted, tough shit. Perhaps your silent majority should have got off their arses and voted (unless they don't exist - surely not?)

Funny how they want a referendum on so many issues, but condemn the use of focus groups as a ridiculous commie socialist idea.

I also am not feeling very Browny by the way. I think it may take a while to kick in. Blair's been PM all of my adult life. That's a big change to come to terms with.


If Mail-land had Swiss style referenda and people's initiatives, we will end up with a place so conservative, that it will make Appenzell Inner-rhoden seem liberal, with a women being allowed to vote locally and regionally from 1990, and abortion only been allowed for the 2004.


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http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politi ... 758817.ece

I'm liking him and more and more... Cameron's idea of giving married couples a £20 bonus makes me vomit. Mail reading middle class couples would be even more smug than they already are.


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And It's funny how Cameron's now suddenly being a typical Tory instead of trying to be Tony Blair. It's like he suddenly noticed Blair's not popular anymore.

The Tories remain stuck in the 1950s. I saw no mention of civil partners either!


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