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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:05 pm 
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Late yesterday the Mail was doing a piece about the tragic house fire in Derby . Two un-named people were at that time in custody on suspicion of murder but the police according to Sky news had told us that "we shouldn't read too much into that" :roll:
The Mail identified one of the suspects as "believed to be ..." who I think was the mother of some of some of the victims half siblings. The two people have now been released without charge and the story pulled.

My question is ,as emotions are obviously running high in the area and the police seem to suspect foul play, can the Mail legally identify and name suspects in this manner? I know papers did with the Jo Yeates murder but weren't things supposed to change after that?


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 Post subject: Re: House fire in Derby
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:08 pm 
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You're suggesting the DM is not abiding by the law and ethical standards?

You're mad, that's wot you is.

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 3:12 pm 
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I think they can name suspects until such time as they are charged, when sub judice rules start to apply.

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 Post subject: Re: House fire in Derby
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 3:30 pm 
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Yeah, I think for example, some people who were pulled in/arrested for questioning over hacking etc were described by many papers, even the BBC as x year old male "believed to be ...." - before any charges, if any , are brought.


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 Post subject: Re: House fire in Derby
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:06 pm 
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I wasn't sure when sub judice comes into being. The police obviously don't name people for good reason until they are charged, it doesn't seem right that papers can.


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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:06 pm 
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They do it all the time, and I can't remember them being pulled for it, except in cases like Jefferies where they make unsubstantiated allegations.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:34 am 
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It's one of the very worst things all these tabloids are guilty of, because if you think of the type of environments some of these incidents play out in, it puts the 'suspects' in very real danger.
How they get away with standing outside courthouses taking photos of people going in and out I have no idea. It all smacks of police collusion. Now that's a story they don't want to embellish, even though it's now been proven to be blatant and rife within the News International stable. There should be full transparency of any officers involved with briefing Associated Newspapers.

The Jefferies verdict was as good as it got, to see them finally humbled and shamed for such awful tactics.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:33 am 
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What got to me was the way that, when asked directly at the press conference to provide information on the victims, the reporters present were firmly rebuffed and even told that they were being inappropriate and ghoulish when the family hadn't even been properly informed.

So, ten minutes later - presumably after a lot of frantic door-knocking - we got multiple channels using the old "named locally as" or "believed to be" cop-out instead.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:14 pm 
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The worst , most distasteful thing is, that the father was supposedly on Jeremy Kyle or something, the press are doing their upmost to potray him a some dole - scum benifit scrounger etc, i think the press should have more respect.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:21 pm 
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I really hope that the arson wasn't connected to the kicking the guy took from the Sun (and I think the Mail) a couple of years ago.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:39 pm 
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Don't know if anyone else has already seen this but tabloid gobshite Carole Malone came perilously close to trying to justify this attack on This Morning the other day. Not sure I'd describe a murder case as an 'accident waiting to happen', but there we are.



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:50 pm 
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For FUCK's sake. She is saying straight up that this famly was asking to be the victims of a murderous arson attack. Absolutely disgraceful.

If there were a hell, I hope there would be a special place reserved for this vile harridan.

ETA : BeauBoDor nails even this:

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Carole Malone sparks outrage as she condemns blaze deaths of six children as an 'accident waiting to happen'



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As cruel as it is that such young lives have been lost, Carole Malone is not wrong. This man, irrespective of income and financial status kept knocking kids out at an alarming rate and expected everyone else to support him. I would imagine it did upset people. That said, there was no need for the horrific arson attack that ensued.

- SANDRA, ILFORD, 17/5/2012 3:47
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Carole Malone should learn to keep her mouth shut, how heartless can a person be. Nobody deserves to go through what this family are currently going through, how many children they have is their own business and nobody else's.

- Alison, Derbyshire, 17/5/2012 4:17
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:59 pm 
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Sandra of Ilford can fuck herself to death with a spiked dildo. Note the cop-out sentance at the end of her comment. Fucking moral coward.

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 Post subject: Re: House fire in Derby
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:49 pm 
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I wonder what level of harassment Sandra considered 'necessary'.


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