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 Post subject: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:54 pm 
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I'd like to suggest this thread become the official place for two types of post:

a) Any post by Emmett which relates to, or mentions the EU.
b) Anybody discussing the EU with Emmett.

Every time he posts it hijacks a thread by people responding to his assertions. Seeing as this doesn't take a side and is an affront to nobody, I assume nobody will have a problem with it.

Let battle commence....:

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 Post subject: Re: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:58 pm 
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+1,000,000 as I believe those young internet scamps post when particularly enamoured of a proposal in a previous post.

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 Post subject: Re: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:29 pm 
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To get the ball rolling, and give Emmett something to get his teeth into, this is my two cents on the whole situation, as posted on another thread earlier today:

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I'd like to butt in a little here and try to reconcile my perceptions of both sides of this. Emmett and his assorted ilk do have legitimate concerns regarding lack of accountability, corruption and numerous other problems which do genuinely exist with the EU at present. Where they become head-bangingly frustrating is when they use these problems as some kind of justification against the principle of European federalisation. The way to solve these problems is to engage properly in the system, rather than shouting Nazi-themed abuse in the debating chamber.

Emmett does strike me as a reasonable man, however he has yet (to my knowledge) to address the core issue of why a federalised Europe is a bad thing. The EU gives us just as much power over 'Johnny Foreigner' as it gives 'Johnny Foreigner' over us, and the notion that we would come up with our own sets of manufacturing standards just to be obtuse is laughable. I'm happy to acknowledge the specific problems with the EU in it's current incarnation, but unless you can address the core, idealogical issue, you will always be seen as a xenophobic, 1980's fringe group.

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 Post subject: Re: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:01 pm 
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Bait declined.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:23 pm 
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Yeeeeeah, you don't really get a choice about that......


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 Post subject: Re: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:57 pm 
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Oh go on Emmett take the bait

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 Post subject: Re: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:27 pm 
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It's not about baiting you. It's just about tidying up the growing list of threads that have ended up 'debating' the merits of European federalisation with you, so that we can use threads to discuss the topics intended. I'd hope everyone else would follow in that spirit and not engage with you on that topic outside this thread. It gets rather tedious. If you're not deliberately seeking to provoke, then you won't have a problem.

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 Post subject: Re: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:32 am 
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Indeed. EJ's refusal to abide by this simple and workable request only strengthens the case of 'trolldom with intent' against him. He's been offered what in effect could be his own blog, a focal point for his ideas and beliefs, yet prefers to hijack and disrupt subjects that have little or no bearing on his stated aims. Maybe he realises that - like UKIP itself - he has no chance whatsoever of getting the populace at large to take him seriously and continues on his present course as the only means he sees available to keep himself in a spotlight of his own imaginings.

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 Post subject: Re: Headlines, Lib Dems 6th, BNP 4th
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:35 am 
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Wikipedia CAP article wrote:
France is the biggest beneficiary of the policy [CAP] by around 20%

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 Post subject: Re: Headlines, Lib Dems 6th, BNP 4th
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I should be clearer. Germany and the UK pay for it. Our farmers are subsidised as well. But prices, which is exactly what Malco is wetting himself over (lower where he is drinking coffee) cannot be low in the UK. I'll bet he couldn't get the same deal in Germany either. The idea that the EU has the ability to wave some sort of magic wand which makes it possible for French lunch to be so much cheaper than a UK lunch is born out of total naivety. Also, see my signature, I do like Europe, Italy is probably my favourite European country. The EU wants to destroy it and will do this through the harmonisation which started a long time ago now and will continue until there is nothing left. Every European country will become the same and eventually that will affect the price of lunch with coffee and wine too.

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 Post subject: Re: anarchists
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Ah, but isn't what you're arguing for (direct democracy) would simply exacerbate this problem as people are generally misinformed about most things.
No, the opposite. If people knew that taking an interest was beneficial then they would. How else do you explain the process of waking up in the morning and going to work? If people had no interest in earning money so they could provide for themselves and their family then they wouldn't and that would be the end of it. Besides which, you are continuing to ignore the Swiss example.

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Absolutely classic example of how to skew the result of a poll by the way you frame the question.
If you asked it differently then the choices wouldn't be clear. If you aren't going to bother you may as well hand the electorate a piece of paper with the options of 'Yes' and 'No' and leave it at that.

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 Post subject: Re: anarchists
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Ah, but isn't what you're arguing for (direct democracy) would simply exacerbate this problem as people are generally misinformed about most things.
No, the opposite. If people knew that taking an interest was beneficial then they would. How else do you explain the process of waking up in the morning and going to work? If people had no interest in earning money so they could provide for themselves and their family then they wouldn't and that would be the end of it. Besides which, you are continuing to ignore the Swiss example.


I don't know enough about Switzerland as a country to comment (and unlike you I'm not going to extrapolate things I think are the case about people I don't know), however the few Swiss people I have come across are generally well-informed and know about things. The same cannot be said for a large part of the UK populace, and I don't want a country where the policy of Governments is dictated by what Cheryl Cole tells people to vote for.

BTW, any chance you could answer how you would deal with tyranny of the majority issues properly please?

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 Post subject: Re: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:11 am 
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If I'm going to play this game would it be possible to just check one of the rules?

I wondered, if I were to not mention the EU or anything to do with it (that does narrow down the discussion topics to almost nothing) will my posts still be moved into this thread? i.e. - if it is not EU will it remain where it is?

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 Post subject: Re: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
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Given you seem to mention the EU frequently and represent a single issue party whose entire manifesto and ideology is based around pulling out of it then I'm not going to hold my breath...

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 Post subject: Re: The Emmett Jenner EU Thread
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:18 am 
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Are you people? What do you want to discuss?

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