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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:00 am 
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The Guardian also reports a claim that the recovered gun was wrapped in a sock. The facts of who fired the bullet that hit the police radio are now known to the Met. I don't see that the police can afford to wait weeks or months for an IPCC investigation. If the Guardian is right, it would be better for them to hold up their hands now.

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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:30 am 
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Kit Malthouse, Deputy Mayor of London and Chair of the Metropolitan Police Authority, described the scenes of the last two nights as "disgusting and shocking" and said the police did a good job.

He added: "Obviously there are people in this city, sadly, who are intent on violence, who are looking for the opportunity to steal and set fire to buildings and create a sense of mayhem, whether they're anarchists or part of organised gangs or just feral youth frankly, who fancy a new pair of trainers."


I've not been aware of this prick before - anarchists? Really? Not seen them mentioned anywhere before. Good idea to get this out though - later you can call for police powers to crack down on subversion. And 'feral youth' - that's helpful.

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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
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He's formerly from that team of all the talents otherwise known as Westminster Council. The ones who set the lowest tax in the country and make all the tourists pay 50p for a piss.

It worked for Sarko. Wind it up and then sort it out. I think Malthouse is just careless, rather than that clever. But I might be being too kind there.


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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
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It shows a woeful out of touch attitude, though I know news reporting can always heighten a problem, but London espically its most deprived areas seem to have alot of problems that relate to the murdering of a number of kids in those areas so the question is how many more kids need to be killed for this to be addressed?

You can blame it on feral youth, on anarchist behavior but by addressing it as so is a failure on the part of them, the gun shot may have sparked a riot but this has been brewing for the last decade.


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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:01 am 
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He's formerly from that team of all the talents otherwise known as Westminster Council. The ones who set the lowest tax in the country and make all the tourists pay 50p for a piss.

It worked for Sarko. Wind it up and then sort it out. I think Malthouse is just careless, rather than that clever. But I might be being too kind there.


The insouciance of the arrogant super-rich.

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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:15 am 
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It shows a woeful out of touch attitude, though I know news reporting can always heighten a problem, but London espically its most deprived areas seem to have alot of problems that relate to the murdering of a number of kids in those areas so the question is how many more kids need to be killed for this to be addressed?

You can blame it on feral youth, on anarchist behavior but by addressing it as so is a failure on the part of them, the gun shot may have sparked a riot but this has been brewing for the last decade.


Don't know about that. There were a few people on TV saying things had got better there in recent years. But doesn't mean they still weren't pretty bad, or that they were destined to get a whole lot worse in the near future.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:29 am 
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The press and the 24-hour rolling news looks for simple, one-line answers. The truth tends to be that for some people things get better,for some quickly, for some slowly. For others they don't get better at all, or they get worse.

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Yeah, that's true. I expect schools, youth work and employment got better, and some housing was done up from 1997-2010. Overcrowding (in housing) though must have got worse.


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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
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I read the area has youth unemployment at something like 50% and it's not like it's in the middle of nowhere? Also youth services has had 70% slashed from its budget, it's the kind of area that the Tories will always bleat why do these people vote Labour (That's if they vote anyone), why do they have such a mistrust of us?

Well they've again answered themselves, but they will willfully ignore that this is down to poor facilities, poor education, poverty, unemployment and most important of all Trust. They will claim its "Gangs" and "Ferals" like they even bloody understand what the word means.

The whole riot stems around mistrust mostly in the establishment, the orginal peaceful protest seems to have been around the shooting of this Duggan bloke. The problem is you have quotes such as the one below and its easy to see how this happened.

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South Bank University student Jake Manu, 28, said Mr Duggan's death and the subsequent lack of dialogue from the police triggered the riot.

But he said tensions - some racial - had been bubbling for a long time.

"The police never talk to us, they ignore us, they don't think we're human in this area," he said.

"We get pulled over all the time like criminals. If you're wearing a black hood, [if] you're a black man, they pull you over for no reason."

He said Tottenham had a bad reputation for drugs, with very few prospects for jobs, but not everyone behaved like the dealers and addicts.

"I'm from Tottenham, but I go to uni, I made myself good and got a job," he said.

"But if I wear like a hoody and walk in the road, they'll just call you, check you and search you - that's a breach of your human rights."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14436529

and if that is the case then


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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
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Yeah, that's true. I expect schools, youth work and employment got better, and some housing was done up from 1997-2010. Overcrowding (in housing) though must have got worse.


To take one example, Labour put extra money into inner-city schools through the 'Excellence in Cities' initiative. Gove took it away. Labour gave them 'Building Schools for the Future'. Gove took it away. Labour gave them the Connexions employment servive. Gove took it away. Most of the people on the streets aren't that old. Doesn't need a genius.

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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
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The looting is a PR disaster for UK Uncut

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I suppose I'll be accused of exploiting the Tottenham riots and London-wide looting for political ends, but what a disaster they were for UK Uncut and other "peaceful" street protests against the "cuts". The Left-wing Twitterati were quick to realise this and spent Saturday and Sunday nights anxiously deploring the wrong sort of direct action.

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UK Uncut now has to negotiate its way round two inconvenient facts:

1. The riots and looting are being blamed on the "cuts" by rogue Leftists, blurring a distinction between political and criminal street action that was already none too clear in the public mind.

2. The weekend's criminals used social media to co-ordinate their actions, just as the Left does. Again, various strands are becoming entangled here. How UK Uncut plans to disentangle them I don’t know – and I can't say I really care.


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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:31 am 
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Yeah, that's true. I expect schools, youth work and employment got better, and some housing was done up from 1997-2010. Overcrowding (in housing) though must have got worse.


To take one example, Labour put extra money into inner-city schools through the 'Excellence in Cities' initiative. Gove took it away. Labour gave them 'Building Schools for the Future'. Gove took it away. Labour gave them the Connexions employment servive. Gove took it away. Most of the people on the streets aren't that old. Doesn't need a genius.


You missed out EMA.


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 Post subject: Re: totttenham riots
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Damian Thompson has written bollocks of the day. Who'se it a PR disaster for... UK Uncut!

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100099918/the-looting-is-a-pr-disaster-for-uk-uncut/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


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Anders Breivik quotes right-wing UK journalists before gun rampage = "right wing journalists are not to blame"
Riot by people who might be anti-cuts but not confirmed as being so = "left wing anti-cuts activists are to blame"

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