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Would you vote for the LibDems again next time around?
Yes 8%  8%  [ 6 ]
No 58%  58%  [ 43 ]
Probably 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
Probably not 28%  28%  [ 21 ]
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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:32 pm 
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Is this the anticipated civil war between the 'economic' and 'social' liberals?


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An arts article on the Guardian reminds me of this:

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Demolished by Tower Hamlets Council (Lib Dem), 1994. Such no-nonsense down to earthism didn't impress the East End. They have one councillor left now (my own one who I vote for, because she's good).


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:04 pm 
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new puritan wrote:
The Fibs are revolting - sort of.

The growing Lib Dem revolt against Clegg

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When Lembit Opik suggested that Nick Clegg should resign as Liberal Democrat leader before the next election he was dismissed as a lone maverick. But it transpires that a sizeable chunk of Lib Dem members agree with him. A new survey by Liberal Democrat Voice of 560 members shows that 34 per cent believe Clegg "should be replaced" as party leader before the 2015 election.


It's worth bearing in mind that Lib Dem Voice isn't exactly a hotbed of radical dissent, either.


Only 34% ? Hardly a coup. I'm surprised 66% are still with him.


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I'm not. Clegg is in government.


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Twelve months before the election, so they can say they're different now. That's when he'll go.


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Twelve months before the election, so they can say they're different now. That's when he'll go.


I guess their new leader couldn't get that dirty in 12 months...


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Have any of them resigned as a result of what their party has done? They're all dirty.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:25 am 
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It's going to need to be a VERY close hung parliament for the handful of LD MPs to make the difference. Won't they be lucky to have 10 MPs come the next election at this rate?


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Just in case anyone was still thinking of voting Lib Dem, here's David Laws to dispel any lingering doubts you might have.

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The Coalition has more than enough ideas to survive after this parliament, according to the Liberal Democrat architect of the pact with the Conservatives.

David Laws, a former Cabinet minister and key negotiator of the post-election deal, said the coalition’s agenda would take ‘well beyond’ just one parliament to deliver - and he gave the government a score of nine out of ten for strength.

He cautioned that introducing a raft of new policies would distract the government from implementing the already ambitious promises they had made.

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David Cameron and Nick Clegg should also privately hammer out an agreement on how they manage the coalition’s last year in the lead up to the 2015 election so that ‘the country does not think that the government has given up and is fighting itself’, Mr Laws said.

He signalled that the Tory-Lib Dem pact could continue, saying: ‘In spite of the perception around the Queen’s Speech that there was not new legislation in health, education and welfare, the agenda we set out in the coalition agreement was massively ambitious and will take whichever party was in government not just one parliament but well beyond that to deliver.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -pact.html

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:51 pm 
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To add; Owen Jones' recent Independent column starts thus:

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Just how do the Tories get away with it? Since they were founded as a modern political force in 1834, the Conservatives have acted as the parliamentary wing of the wealthy elite. When I was at university, a one-time very senior Tory figure put it succinctly at an off-the-record gathering: the Conservative Party, he explained, was a "coalition of privileged interests. Its main purpose is to defend that privilege. And the way it wins elections is by giving just enough to just enough other people".


That also applies to the Orange Book Liberals, perhaps even more so than the Tories. It also encompasses a great deal of those working in the dead tree press and broadcast media. The epicentres are private medicine, private education and a high level of income for relatively little effort, which are maintained for the elite but only dangled in the faces of the mass.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:58 pm 
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This is probably my favourite quote from the Laws article:

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Firstly, we must keep the faith with economic liberalism, notwithstanding the problems in the global economy since 2007.


http://www.libdemvoice.org/liblink-davi ... l#comments

As if the global neoliberal financial crisis (now in its fifth year) is just a minor blip. The rest of it is similarly nauseating market fundamentalist shite.

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I was just about to mention the same thing. The following sentence is also worth quoting here:

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Free market capitalism, including competition, consumer power and private sector innovation offer the best prospect for increasing wealth and reducing poverty and poor living conditions – including in the developing world.


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new puritan wrote:
This is probably my favourite quote from the Laws article:

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Firstly, we must keep the faith with economic liberalism, notwithstanding the problems in the global economy since 2007.


http://www.libdemvoice.org/liblink-davi ... l#comments

As if the global neoliberal financial crisis (now in its fifth year) is just a minor blip. The rest of it is similarly nauseating market fundamentalist shite.


"Global economy" I thought it was all Labour's Fault


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:06 pm 
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Lib Dems = in the shit.

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I say this to show that I bear no personal animosity when I say that Clegg and his party are in even deeper trouble than the headline numbers suggest. We know that they have lost more than half their general election support, and that Clegg has the worst ratings of the three main party leaders. We know that they have been hammered in local elections, and humiliated in the London mayoral contest and parliamentary by-elections. But look under the bonnet of our recent polls for the Sun and Sunday Times, and we find their plight is even worse:

Only 23% of those who voted Lib Dem in 2010 think Clegg is doing well as party leader. As many as one in three of the die-hards – those who have stayed loyal to the party – think he is doing badly.

Almost one in three of the die-hards now oppose the Conservative-Lib Dem coalition. Among all voters, the proportion of Lib Dem-voting coalition supporters who would vote Lib Dem is now just 6%.

Until recently, most Lib Dem loyalists favoured a continuation of a Conservative-led government after the next election. Now they are evenly divided between Tories and Labour. Among those who voted Lib Dem in 2010, a clear majority now wants a Labour-led government after the next election.


http://yougov.co.uk/news/2012/06/18/cle ... hallenges/

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