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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:30 pm 
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I wonder if this has been factored into value for money calculations. I think in the past it has been assumed they'd pay tax.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:23 pm 
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What can we do though?

Reasoned argument won't work because like everything else they do - academies, destruction of public services, benefit cuts - the dismantling of the NHS is being done purely to make huge amounts of money for vastly wealthy tax-avoiding scum. That's it. There's no other reason.

You can point out that this government's policies are restricting economic growth, destroying lives, killing people, making this country a deeply unpleasant place, until your blue in face but they genuinely don't fucking care. There's money to be made for a select few and if they fuck up the lives of everyone else tough shit.

As someone has said elsewhere, I don't think they even care about their political careers - everyone of them will be getting paid vast sums by the corporations they'll have sold our society to, why worry about being an MP? Asset strippers is all they are.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:53 pm 
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As someone has said elsewhere, I don't think they even care about their political careers - everyone of them will be getting paid vast sums by the corporations they'll have sold our society to, why worry about being an MP? Asset strippers is all they are.

I don't know if it was one of my comments you were thinking of, but I came to the conclusion a while ago that they realise that their political careers are toast once the public wake up and the effects of their cuts are felt. Even the most hardened Tory will not be happy when they find that they are having to pay x-thousand a year extra in health insurance, Jonty and Jocasta can't afford a decent education and there are no jobs anyway.
So the ConDem frontbench are looking for positions on the boards of the private company vultures who will get fat feeding off the corpse of the welfare state.
The only hope I can see is rebellion by the ConDem backbenchers too lowly to be in line for such positions and are still reliant upon having a career in politics. I don't see any sign of it yet though.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:22 pm 
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Except:
People in high-paid jobs will get their health insurance paid by the company.
Jonty and Jocasta will get help with fees (see Premium, Pupil)
There'll always be jobs for people with the right networks.

Those to be cynically fucked over literally don't count when compared to freeing up the market and allowing profit to be the primary engine of regeneration. Or something.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:06 pm 
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mojojojo wrote:
As someone has said elsewhere, I don't think they even care about their political careers - everyone of them will be getting paid vast sums by the corporations they'll have sold our society to, why worry about being an MP? Asset strippers is all they are.

I was thinking that some of them are going to need to fork out a lot of money on 24 hour security for the rest of their lives - but they'll have the money to do so. They literally will not be able to go out in public but I imagine most will fuck off to some luxury hideaway for a long while.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:51 pm 
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Doctors bid to unseat 50 MPs in revenge over NHS bill


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:59 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:05 pm 
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Watch vote get split and the cunts get back in.

Kidderminster was about a local hospital, not a national issue- and it was a very Tory working class town, according to a friend of mine from there, which lapped up the chance to break with Labour.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:46 pm 
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Dunno, it'd be interesting to see how a doctor fares against a career MP. The Docs may fall foul of political tricks, but they'll have a lot more innate goodwill invested in the public than some MP.

Also, the idea of rees-mogg being unseated is too appealing to get negative about.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:48 pm 
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Rees-Mogg is within range of Labour anyhow. Why do we need a doctor?


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:00 pm 
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Hm, I had a look and yeah you're right (no voting history since it's a new seat, but only 10% vote lead by Rees-mogg). I guess as you said there is a risk of vote split, unless the doctors were target seats that labour have no chance in, even with all the shit that's going down at the moment.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:07 pm 
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http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/03/ ... en-by-may/

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I did not have space in my column today about Nick Clegg for a small story about him that shines a bit more light on his plan for his party and on his relations with his MPs.

At their “Parliamentary Party Meeting” or PPM as they call it (like the Army, Lib Dems love three-letter abbreviations) at the end of last month, Clegg addressed his MPs and told them that the uncomfortable phase of the health Bill was over. It would go through the Lords soon, Clegg told them, and would be forgotten by the time of the May local elections.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:50 pm 
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http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/03/18/forgotten-by-may/

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Clegg addressed his MPs and told them that the uncomfortable phase of the health Bill was over. It would go through the Lords soon, Clegg told them, and would be forgotten by the time of the May local elections.




Not if I've got fucking anything to do with it, it fucking won't. Like Labour activists the length and breadth of the country, I'll lose mo opportunity to remind electors of it.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:26 pm 
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Not if I've got fucking anything to do with it, it fucking won't. Like Labour activists the length and breadth of the country, I'll lose mo opportunity to remind electors of it.


You'd be surprised, but a lot of the Lib Dem rump that remains seem very complacent about the prospects of a wipeout in 2015. Some of them have resorted to citing parish council results as evidence of a comeback.

What they don't seem to realise is that Lib Dem activists and candidates are going to get the Health Bill betrayal, tuition fees etc thrown at them relentlessly between now and 2015. Left-wing tactical voters will most likely ditch them as well - what's the point of voting Lib Dem if you're just going to get a yellow Tory? It's going to be a real bloodbath.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:24 pm 
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David Owen's amendment to delay the passage of the Bill until after the risk register is published has been thrown out by the Lords, btw. I'm sure you'll all be shocked to hear that it appears the Lib Dem peers fell into line yet again.

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