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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:34 am 
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Yet another coalition brainwave.

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Hospitals are to be encouraged by the government to sell their services abroad, setting up clinics with the famous NHS brand to pull in much-needed cash for the health service from overseas.

The scheme – which has been put together by the Department of Health (DH) and the UK Trade and Investment department (UKTI) – attracted immediate criticism from the Patients Association, concerned that in times of financial stringency at home, establishing overseas clinics would be a distraction too far and could undermine standards at home.

But the government points to clinics that already exist, run by big-name NHS trusts with a reputation around the world, such as Moorfields Eye Hospital and Great Ormond Street children's hospital in the Middle East. The government thinks there could be lucrative possibilities for NHS-standard healthcare services in growing markets such as India and China.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... -hospitals

So who's going to fund this at a time when services are being cut back at home? And who bails it out if it's a commercial flop? Are top NHS staff going to be despatched abroad to bring home the bacon? A lot of questions to be answered here.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:45 am 
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lucrative possibilities...


That's all they care about.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:39 am 
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I think at best it would be an incredibly difficult balancing act.

To be accounted a success the overseas ventures would have to:
* Not drain cash from the NHS.
* Not divert resources from the NHS, or poach staff.
* Earn a profit and hand a respectable proportion of this back to the NHS.


It's very difficult to see how the first two can be accomplished if there is a genuine link between the for proofit hospital and its parent.
It's very difficult to see why a successful for-profit hospital would with to continue handing profits over to the NHS.

My experience in business (Working for a "Group of companies") showed me how it's relatively simple to teleport money and resources between companies within a group.

My experience in the University sector is perhaps more relevant.
There was a trend from the mid 1990s for Universities to build Postgraduate Business Schools.
These were semi independent from the university - and were often very profitable - selling mainly 1 year MBA courses to students from the middle east and Tiger economies.
The business schools were also keen to protect their profits from any sharing with the rest of the university.
This independence soon broke down when it came to the accommodation service, library, central computer services and other shared university facilities.

I suppose my point is.
This would be nice if it could be made to work. - But I doubt it.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:48 am 
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But wait. I thought the NHS was a bureaucratic, top heavy, stateist nightmare. How could it possibly be able to compete in overseas markets? Unless the Tories have been bullshitting all along.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:11 am 
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No, no, no...according to apologist from NHS confederation on Beeb news it's a brand. I think that tells you all you need to know.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:50 pm 
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Some other thoughts for the NHS:

- Door-to-door lending
- Buying GOLD at £££££££££ top prices paid ££££££££
- Fit fold-down sofas in offices, convert to hotels overnight
- Become a network marketer for Telecom Plus, then sign up all other govt. departments = BARGAIN PHONE SERVICE + commission payments
- Hedge fund
- Allow patients to jump the queue if they agree to a henna-tatooed sponsors ad on their forehead

Can I have a right-wing thinktank of my own now?

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:42 pm 
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There is a school of thought that says prostitutes who dress up as nurses save real nurses from the attentions of pervs. Those pervs pay good money. Let's put real nurses on the game and raise a healthy profit.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:06 pm 
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Nhs Managers:

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Yesterday morning I am sure the NHS went to work with a strange smile on its collective face. Rueful might describe it. Cynical, perhaps? Exasperated might be better.

A year ago they were being told they were useless. Management costs too high, outcomes poor, the British public deserved better. They will remember, in January 2011, LaLa telling the Times Newspaper:

"Modernising the NHS is a necessity.... we need to take steps to improve health outcomes, bringing them up to the standards of the best international healthcare systems."

They reflected on the chaos of the 'Listening Palaver' and the political toing-and-froing, trying to justify a colossal upheaval that no one wanted and no one could explain. Eventually, justified and crystallised by David Cameron 's lap-top warriors as; 'NHS outcomes are not good enough, management costs are too high and the public want better'.

LaLa pressed on, telling the BBC PM programme; 'You are twice as likely to die of a heart attack in the UK as you are in France.' The Prime Minister weighed-in; "We've fallen behind the rest of Europe. We spend similar amounts of money but we're more likely to die of cancer or heart disease. I don't think we should put up with a second rate... errrr... with coming second best". He narrowly avoided saying the NHS was 'second rate', but we all got the message.

None of it was true. The 'Liberated' NHS has lead to a centralised muddle with no built-in improvements for choice or quality and we all know it.

However, yesterday we were invited to forget all that. Suddenly the NHS is world-class. Overnight the NHS is not only a national asset, it is an international asset.

The Indy reported ; "Some of Britain's best-known hospitals are being lined up by the Government to export the "NHS brand" around the world... set up profit-making branches overseas to boost their incomes. Under a radical plan to be launched this autumn, officials from the Department of Health and UK Trade and Investment will come together to act as a "dating agency" between hospitals that wish to expand overseas and foreign governments with a demand for British health services".

Apparently the 'dating agency' will be headed by a chief executive paid £100k a year - so look out for the advert!

Well, it's not a 'radical plan'. In 2010, Labour's Health Secretary Andy Burnham set up NHS Global to help the health service make the most of the overseas market for healthcare. The Coalition have pinched the idea and given it a new set of clothes.

Is it a good idea? Well, Moorefield's are already doing it in Dubai. They made £329k surplus in 10/11, £67k down on the previous year. Imperial are looking after diabetics across the UAE. Great Ormond St have a thriving overseas business here and would be a prime candidate for a franchise. As Danny Boyle pointed out in the Olympic Opening Ceremony, the NHS has an instantly recognised international brand. The segment, with dancing nurses, far from being a Trojan horse for socialist values, was an unabashed advert' for what was to come next. The Healthcare and Life Sciences Conference at Lancaster House.

Only a handful of hospitals will be able to benefit. As I understand the rules; they can only invest money in overseas adventures they have earned from existing trading in the private sector. That means only the biggest hospitals will be able to afford to do it. In consequence they will get bigger. So Health Minister Anne Milton's quote: "This is good news for NHS patients who will get better services at their local hospital as a result of the work the NHS is doing abroad and the extra investment that will generate " is way out of whack. Unless there is a secret plan to claw-back or discount private earnings from Trust's NHS allocations and tariffs, freeing-up cash for other parts of the more hard-pressed NHS?

The NHS is going through an upheaval, waiting times are showing signs of strain and cash is too tight to mention but the kind of hospitals that can benefit from overseas trading are sitting on surpluses and untouched by the maelstrom engulfing the rest.

A more significant question might be; is the NHS being reduced to a brand, here at home? Is the NHS a Gucci, a Pepsi, an Armani or a Samsung? Of course it is. It is an envied healthcare system, recognised world-wide as unique and trustworthy. Belatedly, it seems, even in LaLa-Land!

You have to laugh at the temerity, the bare-faced cheek and the chutzpah.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:08 pm 
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I'm completely pissing in the dark here, but aren't there a lot of EU stasi-crat rules about state-owned bodies operating commercial enterprises?

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
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http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 69907.html

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She has a point, although hopefully someone in parliament might point out a detail she's missed, and say: "With respect to the honourable member, the reason it has a worldwide reputation is because it's not run for profit so it's free, not because it's a well-known brand like Levi's bloody jeans or Walkers sodding crisps, so to turn that into a business would be like saying 'People love the Dalai Lama as he's all calm and peaceful so let's get him to sell landmines', you steaming great Tory idiot."


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:18 pm 
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Well put.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
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Only a handful of hospitals will be able to benefit. As I understand the rules; they can only invest money in overseas adventures they have earned from existing trading in the private sector. That means only the biggest hospitals will be able to afford to do it.

Probably a round about way of getting more support for the relaxing of the rules on how much private patient income Foundation Trust hospitals can earn.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
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NHS to export death in a corridor

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/heal ... 2082238779

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rtune.html

F*ckin' hell, that's a strong one, currently top billing right now. Expect the usual suspects to be all over this.

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In London 56.7% of new mums are originally from outside the UK

Most came from Poland, India and Pakistan with a total of 184,000 children born in these circumstances in NHS hospitals


File under: "keep Enoch's vision alive as long as possible" :roll:

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Migration Watch chairman Sir Andrew Green said: 'These figures are a disappointment. Net migration remains far too high. Today’s numbers underline the huge difficulty of getting immigration back under control after thirteen years of chaos.


What a nice chap. His business cronies love the cheap, disposable labour of it all. Looks like he has his admirers though...

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
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Giant f*cking Sudoku wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2195695/A-quarter-babies-born-hospital-England-Wales-foreign-mother--costing-NHS-fortune.html

F*ckin' hell, that's a strong one, currently top billing right now. Expect the usual suspects to be all over this.

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In London 56.7% of new mums are originally from outside the UK

Most came from Poland, India and Pakistan with a total of 184,000 children born in these circumstances in NHS hospitals


File under: "keep Enoch's vision alive as long as possible" :roll:

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Migration Watch chairman Sir Andrew Green said: 'These figures are a disappointment. Net migration remains far too high. Today’s numbers underline the huge difficulty of getting immigration back under control after thirteen years of chaos.


What a nice chap. His business cronies love the cheap, disposable labour of it all. Looks like he has his admirers though...

http://britishfreedom.org/tag/sir-andrew-green/

I wonder what % of new mums in Los Angeles and New Yoik are originally from outside the USA?
And what % of new mums in Benidorm are originally from outside Spain?

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