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 Post subject: Re: POTUS 2012
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:29 am 
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If Romney wins, it screws the US for more than just the next four years. The Supreme Court nominations (as well as other federal judicial appointments) made by a Romney presidency will reach far into the future.

I reckon it'd have massive impacts on the diplomatic abilities of the US, too.

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yumicho wrote:
If Romney wins, it screws the US for more than just the next four years. The Supreme Court nominations (as well as other federal judicial appointments) made by a Romney presidency will reach far into the future.

I reckon it'd have massive impacts on the diplomatic abilities of the US, too.


Of course it would, which would be awful in its own right. But the thing about the courts in the US is that they are an even more powerful force than they are here in the UK, and this could ultimately keep any progressive changes in legislation in the US from being realised. And then there are the other effects of rulings.

Basically, the Supreme Court is a branch of the American government. There are three: the legislature (House/Senate), the executive (the president), and the judicial (The Supreme Court and lower courts). There is a system of checks and balances (at least theoretically) which are meant to keep all three branches balanced, separate, and in check. The legislative branch makes the laws, the judicial branch interprets the laws, and the executive branch carries them out is the general short hand way of explaining it, but of course it's more complicated than that and the roles of the individual branches have evolved over time. Supreme Court justices, once appointed and confirmed sit until they retire, are impeached and convicted, or die. Sorry if this is something people know about already, but if you didn't, this is something you need to understand to grasp the gravity of another right wing president.

Right now there is a liberal (American sense) minority in the US Supreme Court. Four justices are over the age of 70. Of those, one is centrist liberal, one is centrist, one is solidly conservative, and the eldest is currently the most liberal. If Romney is able to replace two of these due to death or retirement he can alter the path the US takes for decades. If he appoints one that isn't from the conservative side (and remember, only one of the over 70s are conservative), he can do the same.

How is this important? They don't just rule on things like abortion rights or reading Miranda rights. They can shape how elections are run and won in the US. They decide whether a corporation should be treated as an individual person or not. They can strike down overreaching laws/executive actions like future versions of the Patriot Act. They can determine how the US treats its prison population and the rights someone who is not American hold. Ultimately, they are the last line of protection of the vulnerable against the state and their decisions can indirectly have a global reach.


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 Post subject: Re: POTUS 2012
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:28 pm 
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I honestly can't fathom why people other than inbred hicks and the super rich would support Romney? :shock:


A large swathe of the United States are rednecks. They are suspicious of government, especially taxes, and believe they are self reliant. Even though top notch redneck states like Alaska get more fed dollars than other states.

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Freeloading repugnican bastards. It's only other people who get state handouts that are the problem.

People are that stupid, as mailites are in the UK. Check out Malcolm's right whinger brain thread. That explains why you can shove hard evidence in people's faces and they will continue to lie to themselves.

Hopefully there will be enough support for Obama, even though I am no fan of his, the alternative, Romney, is unthinkable.

The country is one more repug president away from disaster.

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As far as Fox news is concerned Romney has won it !

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:39 pm 
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As far as Fox news is concerned Romney has won it !


Well that's Fox news for you.

I am more concerned about super PACs to be honest. Although that said, Obama can do no worse than simply rerunning Newt Gingrich's anti-Romney campaign ads.

Romney does have the distinct disadvantage of having the public support of Donald Trump.

Trump and 'birthers' continue hilarity

Donald Trump should have to produce a certificate to prove he is not a revolting piece of shit.

That said, Romney is trying his hardest to play this down.

Donald Trump's 'birther' delusion is Mitt Romney's embarrassment

Well after all Romney's own father, George, was born in Mexico because Mitt's grandfather fled religious persecution in the US because he believed marriage should be between a man and around five women.

I for one will be getting some popcorn for the mudslinging this election.

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I'm also thinking Romney will win.


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The problem with that though is that it doesn't take account of the wealth of each state. Someone working long hours for the minimum wage will probably get more back than someone working part time in a very good job. That doesn't make the first guy a freeloader. It just reflects the low minimum wage.

I know the republicans love free markets, and you're really just using their own points back at then, but I still think it's a dodgy point. Sometimes here we hear similar things re eg Muslims. They live mainly in poor cities and disproportionately do jobs with v long hours and low pay- minicabs, restaurants, small shops. That doesn't make them freeloaders.


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The problem with that though is that it doesn't take account of the wealth of each state. Someone working long hours for the minimum wage will probably get more back than someone working part time in a very good job. That doesn't make the first guy a freeloader. It just reflects the low minimum wage.

I know the republicans love free markets, and you're really just using their own points back at then, but I still think it's a dodgy point. Sometimes here we hear similar things re eg Muslims. They live mainly in poor cities and disproportionately do jobs with v long hours and low pay- minicabs, restaurants, small shops. That doesn't make them freeloaders.

A valid point, but to take for example Alaska it has the lowest individual tax burden of any state in the USA yet gets 184% of its contribution to Federal taxes which along with paying dividends to its residents from the Alaska Permanent Fund does seem to be taking the piss somewhat, even allowing for the the case that the cost of living is higher than the mainland 48 (notably Hawaii gets less Federal spending returns).

I know that Northern Ireland often gets ripped on because it is the biggest beneficiary of the Barrnet Formula but at around 125% spending of per capita expenditure, that seems to pale into comparison to many of the states in the USA.

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 Post subject: Re: POTUS 2012
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It would appear that Romney has put his foot right in it at the first time of asking by dissing our Olympic Games. Even Boris was taking a pot shot at him in Hyde Park tonight.

Go and fuck yourself, Romney. Who the hell wants a president that is named after a type of winter glove anyway?

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 Post subject: Re: POTUS 2012
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
The problem with that though is that it doesn't take account of the wealth of each state. Someone working long hours for the minimum wage will probably get more back than someone working part time in a very good job. That doesn't make the first guy a freeloader. It just reflects the low minimum wage.

I know the republicans love free markets, and you're really just using their own points back at then, but I still think it's a dodgy point. Sometimes here we hear similar things re eg Muslims. They live mainly in poor cities and disproportionately do jobs with v long hours and low pay- minicabs, restaurants, small shops. That doesn't make them freeloaders.


It's a dodgy point alright. However, I do delight in the irony of red states being the freeloaders.....

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Go and fuck yourself, Romney. Who the hell wants a president that is named after a type of winter glove anyway?


Idiots in America who feel better about themselves for voting Romney.... apparently.....

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Romney’s “Recovery Plan” Could Bring On Another Recession

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 Post subject: Re: POTUS 2012
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Why Paul Ryan could be the worst thing to happen to Mitt Romney

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I put this up on the Allister Heath thread, but here's Reagan's budget chief steaming into Ryan:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opini ... .html?_r=1

If he were ever a true believer in Reaganism, he's recanted somewhat. Maybe, like Paul O'Neill under George W Bush, he was a fairly reasonable bloke who stuck around because he thought it was his duty to moderate.

This point is particularly striking

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Indeed, adjusted for inflation, today’s national security budget is nearly double Eisenhower’s when he left office in 1961 (about $400 billion in today’s dollars) — a level Ike deemed sufficient to contain the very real Soviet nuclear threat in the era just after Sputnik.


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Looking at some coverage of GOP convention. Horrific stuff.

Delegates pausing JUST a few seconds too long while waiting for a response to a clumsy extreme right wing applause cue in their speeches. Tragic stuff.

Ann Romney in HYPER Stepford Wife mode telling us that her adored Mitt (just what the fuck is that name short for?) won't let us down.

An audience of ravening fuckwits, many in STETSONS, for fuck's sake. The terrifyingly stupid Paul Ryan.

One vox pop had a GOP woman avowing that she thought Obama was "an anarchist" who wanted to "destroy America". Followed by an item which explored how the GOP wanted significantly smaller government. I mean, make your fucking minds up. Either Obama wants to get rid of government, or you fuckng do. You can't have both.

And a twat called Artur Davis just said "This is no dark hour, this is the dawn before we remember who we are". What??????

Unbelieveable, and a bit scary. Please don't elect another vicious, backward, fuckwit,
America. Have you forgotten Dubya so soon?

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