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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:28 pm 
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Looks like her defence is falling apart already. From the statement:

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Two locals who were in the pub accompanied Molly and the barmaid in the car. The barmaid’s boyfriend was hiding in the ally next to her house and the two men who accompanied Molly chased him. This was all that Molly witnessed.

The two men returned 15 minutes later and said he had got away. Molly drove back to the pub with the two men in her car.


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So, off we went in my car, minus my boyfriend, who went to bed. The two lads said that they would come with us to make sure that the boyfriend wasn’t waiting for us. When we arrived, they found him hiding down the alleyway at the side of the house, and he got the beating of his life after they had chased him for miles. The lads eventually returned, reassuring us that he wouldn’t be back, and they asked me to give them a lift home.

Whitney went to bed, and I gave the lads a lift. Little was said in the car but our adrenalin was high. When we got back to the pub, the coal fire was still burning, and one of the lads tossed in a big stick, explaining that my fella had given it to him for my protection. ‘Oh fuck,’ I thought. ‘I am really in the shit here.’ And I was.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:38 pm 
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The men confirmed to the police in their statement that Molly had nothing to do with the assault. The police asked Molly to give evidence about events she had not witnessed.

Molly agreed to plead guilty to perverting the course of justice at the Crown Court at the start of the trial to bring an end to the matter, on the advice of her barrister at the time. With hindsight, she admits this was the wrong thing to do.


Call me a cynic, but that sounds suspiciously like a load of old bollocks.


I'll file that alongside "And then I fell onto the horse's erect penis".


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:52 am 
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... ur-growing

Pretty good article tying together a few of main points of workfare raised recently. That it's hard to get a job, but easy to get into workfare tells a story of its own...


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:41 am 
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Good on Political Scrapbook for not letting this story die:
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A senior manager for Close Protection UK — the firm at the centre of the Jubilee stewards scandal — was passed highly sensitive information from the police national computer, it has been claimed. An officer was forced to quit Greater Manchester Police over the scandal, in which confidential intelligence on criminals was accessed illegally.

Former police officer Georgina Willetts (above left) admitted ‘conspiracy to commit misconduct in a public office’ after being arrested over allegations she showed secret files to her husband Craig Willetts (above right) — who was subsequently employed as a senior manager at Close Protection UK.

The revelation comes after Political Scrapbook exposed the criminal past of the firm’s owner, Molly Prince. The former pub landlord — whose shadowy network of companies have creamed millions from the taxpayer — received a 12-month suspended sentence after a man was beaten into a coma with a stick.

With the company accredited with Approved Contractor Status (ACS) by government regulator the Security Industry Authority (SIA), their website has bragged that Craig Willetts played:

“… a key role in achieving SIA ACS status for Close Protection UK.”

Did we mention that they have the fire safety contract at the Olympics?


http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/06/j ... -computer/

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:58 am 
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The Graun has really gone to town on Molly Prince. What a spectacular all-round fuck up this has been.

Criminal past and rich tastes of boss at centre of jubilee security row

John Harris' article from Friday is also well worth reading.

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On Friday, I spoke to one of the 30 unpaid people at the heart of the controversy. This young woman had been made redundant early last year. Eventually, she was referred by her jobcentre adviser to Tomorrow's People, a charity administering the work programme, and persuaded to train for a qualification in security work. As part of her training, she had already worked for nothing, but only once: at a football match, "observing the crowd and making sure there were no issues", with six other people on the same scheme. When she and others were informed about the jubilee weekend, she said, they were at first told they would be paid around £400, "but at the last minute, they said, 'You're not getting anything – it's work experience'."

Sleeping under London bridge, she said, had been impossible: "It was too cold, it was raining, and there were way too many people." She thus started work at 9.30am, having had no sleep for upwards of 20 hours. She put on her work clothes "in public, in the cold". Breakfast – "piddly", she said – had not arrived until 9.15am. The first chance she had to use a toilet, she claimed, was at 2pm. She was supposed to stop work 12 hours after she started, "but me and some other people gave up, cos we were that cold and wet, at six o'clock." She was then told to take the tube to the end of the Central line, whereupon she called her mother and stepfather almost 150 miles away and asked them to come and get her. "I was that distraught. I had five layers on, and I was soaked through. I was having trouble breathing. After standing up for nine hours, I had a back spasm; I could barely walk. I'd just had enough."

"I'm signing on tomorrow," she said, "and I'm asking to be withdrawn from Tomorrow's People. I can't trust them. I don't want to be treated like dirt, working long hours for nothing.

"There's work experience, and there's slave labour. I wouldn't mind work experience for free if it was in good conditions and I was treated properly … not being asked to change in public and having no access to a toilet." (By way of a response, Tomorrow's People supplied the Guardian with a list of contact numbers for other work programme participants who had been taken to London on an unpaid basis; they proved to be either unavailable, or unwilling to talk).


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... ur-growing

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:48 pm 
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She's probably no more dodgy than a lot of other people involved in the security business, even though licencing has improved things somewhat. The slightest pause for thought would have told the government to avoid this sector like the plague.

I expect a lot of the public, of all social classes, are supportive of workfare. What's offending them is intermediaries profiting from it. When the government came in, they controlled loads of councils up and down the country. They should have started with people doing work for them. But they had to do the usual "Tony Blair said you have to start fast" rubbish.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:12 pm 
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I don't support workfare. Short term work experience, yes. Workfare, no.

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I don't support Workfare, either. And "don't support" is putting it mildly.

The only way I'd support anything like it is if it filled two criteria. One, as you mention above, it's community or not-for-profit work. Two, it payed minimum wage - and not less than a third (maximum) that people are expected to do it for now.

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:55 pm 
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Carlos The Badger wrote:
I don't support Workfare, either. And "don't support" is putting it mildly.

The only way I'd support anything like it is if it filled two criteria. One, as you mention above, it's community or not-for-profit work. Two, it payed minimum wage - and not less than a third (maximum) that people are expected to do it for now.

Exactly.
Who are all these people who support workfare Tubby?
The only people I've heard in support apart from the government and Mailtards are few Tory donors from the CBI.

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I had a couple of people comment on facebook when I posted the jubbly story. One said we shouldn't pay people not to work, the other said they were getting the dole so shouldn't complain....


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Valued and beneficial work experience I'm in favour of. Nobody should have the fear of sanctions hung over them to work for free in Argos.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:06 pm 
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Valued and beneficial work experience I'm in favour of. Nobody should have the fear of sanctions hung over them to work for free in Argos.

Indeed. I mean I was doubly lucky - I managed to evade Workfare long enough to instead be transferred to a local training scheme, and I dodged that one by being offered a part-time (but permanent) contract. But I was stressing about the possibility of Workfare.

It's all well and good to say we should be encouraging those on the dole to do more to find work - and I wholly agree with that - but that problem is not going to be fixed by Workfare. The only way to fix the problem is to get companies recruiting again. Stop this bullshit about "hidden jobs" and other contractor spiel that puts the blame on the jobseeker, and instead get the wheels of employment turning once more.

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:35 pm 
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oboogie wrote:
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I don't support Workfare, either. And "don't support" is putting it mildly.

The only way I'd support anything like it is if it filled two criteria. One, as you mention above, it's community or not-for-profit work. Two, it payed minimum wage - and not less than a third (maximum) that people are expected to do it for now.

Exactly.
Who are all these people who support workfare Tubby?
The only people I've heard in support apart from the government and Mailtards are few Tory donors from the CBI.


Most people who meet me don't like the fact I don't work, for starters, though they're too polite to say so. With me, it's health, so I guess the tolerance of people without health issues who haven't worked for ages is pretty low.

I'd like to see unemployment benefit much higher. I think the one way that might be achieved politically is by making workfare (on public good projects) into part of the jobseeking agreement. It's certainly more use and less humiliating than getting sent on silly David Brent style courses too.


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But in the current situation where people are being laid off or having their hours cut, Workfare is the worst thing that can be implemented as it gives businesses an excuse to cut workers even more.

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I'm not suggesting anyone working for business, but local councils.

Local councils, albeit because of central government cuts, are laying people off. But there's always been work that hasn't been done, even in times of fullish employment. So it could certainly be organised so that it didn't put existing employees out of work.


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