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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:44 pm 
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Most people who meet me don't like the fact I don't work, for starters, though they're too polite to say so. With me, it's health, so I guess the tolerance of people without health issues who haven't worked for ages is pretty low.

I'd like to see unemployment benefit much higher. I think the one way that might be achieved politically is by making workfare (on public good projects) into part of the jobseeking agreement. It's certainly more use and less humiliating than getting sent on silly David Brent style courses too.


Totally agree with this. I'm all for getting the able-bodied long-term unemployed back into work, but only if they're paid a fair wage for their efforts. There are all sorts of public infrastructure projects that could be undertaken - building new council housing instantly springs to mind. It doesn't fit with neoliberal ideology though, which is most likely a big part of the problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:49 pm 
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Given the current economic climate workfare is a slap in the face.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:51 pm 
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To me, Workfare is...


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
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First the pageant fiasco, now minibus carrying CPUK staff overturns on M40

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The security company at the centre of a row about its treatment of unpaid workers was facing fresh questions last night after a minibus carrying 15 of its stewards overturned on a motorway and its driver was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving.


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Thames Valley Police said the driver, understood to be in his early 30s, was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and document offences. He was released on bail. It is understood that police are trying to establish whether the man held the correct classification on his licence to drive a minibus commercially. The collision and arrest of a CPUK employee will cause fresh difficulties for the Wigan-based company, which blamed a "logistics problem" for the incident which led to staff on work experience being left under London Bridge prior to their shift at the Jubilee river pageant. The company defended its record, pointing out that other stewards had praised its training.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 34917.html

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:22 pm 
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Nothing we didn't know, if you read their 2008 report. However, it's nice to have fresh confirmation.
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Thousands of jobseekers have been referred to a mandatory work scheme that has done nothing for their employment chances, has made them more likely to claim benefits in the long run, and may have had adverse consequences on their physical and mental health, government research has found.

Published late on Tuesday evening, the Department for Work and Pensions' own assessment of its mandatory work activity (MWA) programme was filed at the House of Commons library just three hours after the employment minister, Chris Grayling, announced that he would be pumping in millions of pounds of extra funding to expand the scheme so it could take up to 70,000 referrals a year.

The government also announced that it would toughen up the sanctions regime making it even harder for those to temporarily sign off benefits to avoid being forced into unpaid work for up to four weeks.

The government's peer-reviewed study concluded that being referred by Jobcentre managers to mandatory unpaid work for 30 hours a week was good at pushing people off jobseeker's allowance in the short term.

However, over a five-month period people were more likely to return to all sorts of out-of-work benefits when compared with those who had never been referred in the first place.

DWP researchers said this return to benefits included a 3% increase in those claiming employment support allowance, a benefit given to those with serious health problems.

In the study, which compared the outcomes between more than 3,000 MWA referrals with 125,00 non-referred jobseekers, they also concluded that the scheme had zero effect in helping people get a job.

"The results show that … a MWA referral had no impact on the likelihood of being employed compared to non-referrals," the 62-page report said.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... f-comments

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:57 pm 
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In case you were in any doubt:

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Data obtained exclusively by Channel 4 News shows that the welfare to work company A4e secured sustainable jobs for just 3.5 per cent of its job-seekers under the government's flagship Work Programme.

The data, which both the company and the government have refused to release, reveals a company failing to meet the minimum targets set for it by the government in the first year of the Work Programme.

A4e is the second largest provider of the programme, which aims to get those out of work for a year or more back into work. The company has contracts to run the programme in the East Midlands, east London, Merseyside and Lancashire, the Thames Valley area and South Yorkshire.

Channel 4 News has learnt that in the year ending March 2012, 10 months after the programme was launched, almost 115,000 people were referred to the A4e under the Work Programme. Of those just 4,000 have managed to obtain jobs that lasted 13 weeks or more - the length of time the government determines as a successful outcome.


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:04 pm 
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Did they say what percentage of people not referred to A4E got sustainable jobs? Lemme guess, would it be 3.5% or above? And does that by any chance mean that our esteemed government threw millions of quid at their friends for which the return achieved was precisely zero?


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:13 pm 
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Also did A4E actually secure all those jobs or are they just claiming the credit for some people who managed to find work off their own bat with no help from Workfare.

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:15 am 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... A4e-spent-45million-securing-just-4-000-jobseekers-long-term-role.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

And that's from their own side! These government financed 'training providers' are a super scandal, they really are. Humongous fat cat profits while helpless youngsters are 'sanctioned' into suicidal penury for not jumping through their demeaning and often futile hoops.

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:17 pm 
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Did you know they could claim a job outcome 13 weeks after they went back on to Job Seeker provision, so a whole 3 months after yet if they entered job seeker provision the JCP couldn't claim for the date of entry. Technically that was up to 14 days before they first saw someone at one of these providers.

This was around the time they were bleating that 3rd party provision could deliver more than JCP

So they must have picked up loads of job outcomes they never had any part in getting the jobseeker, I know of at least 9 job outcomes the provider got, through doing absolutely nothing for the jobseeker.

These providers also took a number of jobseekers on so that will probably have inflated the figures slightly.


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:55 pm 
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mattomac wrote:
Did you know they could claim a job outcome 13 weeks after they went back on to Job Seeker provision, so a whole 3 months after yet if they entered job seeker provision the JCP couldn't claim for the date of entry. Technically that was up to 14 days before they first saw someone at one of these providers.

This was around the time they were bleating that 3rd party provision could deliver more than JCP

So they must have picked up loads of job outcomes they never had any part in getting the jobseeker, I know of at least 9 job outcomes the provider got, through doing absolutely nothing for the jobseeker.

These providers also took a number of jobseekers on so that will probably have inflated the figures slightly.


I'm sorry, I didn't understand any of that.


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:56 pm 
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Too many pronouns!


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:49 am 
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Basically Fourth party provision (A4E and others) have 13 weeks after the provision of the jobseeker ended to claim a job outcome (When a person gets a job).

JCP don't.

Hence they got credit (and cash) for doing nothing.

Sorry I can't write in fluent English I'm a retard... or so my teachers said.


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Too many pronouns!


No.
I wasn't able to interpret words like provision and outcome at slow reading pace.
After a nights sleep I think I have:

Provision - getting sent on workfare.
Outcome - getting a job.


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
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mattomac wrote:
Basically Fourth party provision (A4E and others) have 13 weeks after the provision of the jobseeker ended to claim a job outcome (When a person gets a job).

JCP don't.

Hence they got credit (and cash) for doing nothing.

Sorry I can't write in fluent English I'm a retard... or so my teachers said.


OK, It was the "Jargon" that threw me.
So, no matter who gets the job, a4e gets the credit - and their figures are still shit (Over 10 grand per job of 13 weeks or more).


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