On the face of it that looks like one of those self-styled 'progressive' businesses, so I suspect they may well lose a lot of their liberal-minded customers on the back of this. It was inevitable that this sort of thing would happen, though, and it could lose the government a lot of support if and when it becomes more widespread. Workfare and prison labour might sound good to reactionaries at first, but not so much when it's their jobs that are making way for it.

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Read through the comments, they've been rumbled already (by the readers, NOT the journo). This is just another in what seems to be a long line of dodgy companies—only this time using Green in the name.

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Last edited by Carlos The Badger on Thu Feb 31, 2021 18:60 am, edited 666 times in total.

To follow up from yesterday.

Prison call centre plans revealed
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... CMP=twt_gu
The government want you to hand over your personal data to criminals.

Here's the leaflet in question.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/inter ... CMP=twt_gu

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It's been suggested that prison rules actually limit their wages to £3. No doubt the company laughed its greenwashed arse off at that. Surely the government could have thought of that- it could have been done easily, I should think.

Rehab rates are so bad, I'm quite happy for companies to profit from prisoners. We want them to work for firms who make money when they come out. I also think we can put a bit too much emphasis on not taking away jobs from people on the outside. But sacking people and taking on prisoners is completely unacceptable and should be banned in contracts. And the governor should be free to negotiate better rates, and decide what to do with it.

Surely the companies should just pay full rates to the prisoners, with the prison taking off a slice to limit the wages, and that slice could go towards...prison services?

god...it could even directly pay for services for prisoners (food, entertainment), thus creating a microcosm of society and perhaps instilling some sense that working legally and paying taxes can help improve things for everyone. obviously people are in prison/out of work for different reasons, but it'd still be a good lesson.


OR, we could just let the prisoners serve as slave labour.

If the prisoners are worth taking on at that rate, sure. I very much agree you want them to be under real world or "adult" conditions. Prisons generally treat people like kids, and that's a big problem. Some systems have them paying their own electric bills and stuff, which is good. So are conjugal visits.

I was more arguing against people who insist on the minimum wage for all prisoners. I think that will be too high.

Why? Too high for the prisoners or too high for the compainies?

To high for the prisoners to be taken on at that rate.

If they can agree a higher rate (eg some boffin in for computer fraud) go for it, and feed money back into the prison, as Winegums says.

If you have anyone being paid less than the minimum wage, then that completely destroys any resaon to employ anyone else and screws with the point of it. Pay them a decent wage or piss off.

More wanking in bed for them then.

I said you'd have to safeguard existing paid positions- I think they're supposed to do that already.

More desperate shit from Grayling.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 84473.html

No doubt this will be good for fiddling the youth employment figures but that's about it. Have to say I've been incredibly disappointed by the way so many charities have been so eager to take advantage of the additional free labour provided courtesy of the DWP.

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Disappointed, but surely not surprised? There's a reason that the Tories like charities.

I think this could lead to riots, I really do.

These people will still count as unemployed, won't they?

It looks as though the ones doing the 30hrs/wk will get JSA and be counted (Unless somebody then pulls the "Must be available for work" trick).

What I wonder is where all the vacancies will come from (Quarter of a million-ish), and who is responsible for finding the 30hrs/wk of charidee.
Punt responsibility back onto the jobseeker's lap, and you can whip them off the register faster than Prince Harry's cavalry Jodhpurs.

(Edit: tidied up some typos)

Not available for work because you're doing mandatory work experience? Not even Grayling can pull that one, surely?

Under the current rules "Not available for work" is grounds to stop JSA payments. So no need to pay them at all whilst they're doing work experience.

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