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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:15 pm 
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NHS pay was only really harmonised nationally relatively recently. 'Agenda for Change' has been an arse to implement, however the who point of the process was to stop the huge numbers of sideways moves by people who could get better pay for doing the same job in a diffrent trust as the staff turnover this generated (over a prolonged period) would have cost far far more than pay harmonisation has.


It's also a surefire way to erode the Tories' weak northern support even further. Tim Montgomerie has been making a big deal about how they need to broaden their appeal to northern voters if they're to win a parliamentary majority, but they still seem hellbent on adopting a Thatcher-style scorched earth policy. Taking more money out of struggling regional economies at a time of slump will inevitably deepen the malaise further, as well as making it harder for public sector employers in those areas to recruit talent and, as you suggest, creating further unnecessary upheaval and expense elsewhere. Further proof of Lansley's rampant fuckwittery, as if it was needed.

The 'crowding out' argument is bollocks as well, since the unemployment rate is edging towards 10% across the north. People here aren't turning down private sector work because they're hanging on for a cushty public sector job.

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It's a surefire way of persuading the Scots to vote for full independence too. Why should they vote for lower pay?

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It's a surefire way of persuading the Scots to vote for full independence too. Why should they vote for lower pay?


I don't think anyone could blame the Scots for breaking away from this shower of shit, although personally I hope they stay in the union. A truly federal UK is the only effective way to resolve the democratic deficit imo, devolving real power away from Whitehall to the English regions as well as the other nations. Directly-elected mayors are the bare minimum and aren't going to make much of a practical difference. I've seen people make the argument that Scottish independence could boost the regional devolution movement, but it's a risk I'm wary of taking. It seems clear to me that the north needs an effective bulwark against Westminster if it's to avoid years of further degeneration.

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It's a surefire way of persuading the Scots to vote for full independence too. Why should they vote for lower pay?


I don't think anyone could blame the Scots for breaking away from this shower of shit, although personally I hope they stay in the union. A truly federal UK is the only effective way to resolve the democratic deficit imo, devolving real power away from Whitehall to the English regions as well as the other nations. Directly-elected mayors are the bare minimum and aren't going to make much of a practical difference. I've seen people make the argument that Scottish independence could boost the regional devolution movement, but it's a risk I'm wary of taking. It seems clear to me that the north needs an effective bulwark against Westminster if it's to avoid years of further degeneration.

Away from the Irish border question, I'm along that line of thought too but the awkward question of England would be difficult to judge - namely in such a federation should it be as one country alongside the other three, or would regionalising it with the same powers as what the BBC calls the National Regions be more practical and acceptable? At present there is no real going back on Scotland, Wales and NI having their own assemblies or parliaments - the only party of any note advocating their abolition is UKIP with a curious irony. All of this doesn't disguise that compared to continental Europe, governmental power in both the UK and Ireland is heavily centralised and that in the USA, Canada and Australia, the states & provinces also have significant powers.

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Wonder if the same thing'll happen with soldiers' pay.


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Post-2008, we matched the US for growth until the Coalition got into power:

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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
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Well, at least demand for something is on the up - er, food banks that is.

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Britain's leading foodbank network, the Trussell Trust, says every single day it is handing out emergency food parcels to parents who are going without meals in order to feed their children, or even considering stealing food to put on the table, as the government's austerity measures start to bite.

The number of people to whom it had issued emergency food parcels had doubled in the last 12 months and was set to increase further as rising living costs, shrinking incomes and welfare cuts take their toll, the trust said, as it published its annual report, which is fast becoming a barometer of social deprivation.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... -breadline

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This makes me spitting angry. We've worked for a hundred years in this country to eradicate poverty and hunger - and by and large managed it,or at least reduced it. Now ordinary citizens are having to rely on charity to eat, instead of having jobs or a caring state to look after them. That progress has been wilfully discarded by a few rich tossers and imbecile orange bookers - who are even worse - like Osborne and Beaker.
I'm not a violent man but in their case I'd make a happy exception.


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This makes me spitting angry. We've worked for a hundred years in this country to eradicate poverty and hunger - and by and large managed it,or at least reduced it. Now ordinary citizens are having to rely on charity to eat, instead of having jobs or a caring state to look after them. That progress has been wilfully discarded by a few rich tossers and imbecile orange bookers - who are even worse - like Osborne and Beaker.
I'm not a violent man but in their case I'd make a happy exception.


We've regressed to the stage where private charity is a central plank of public policy. Attlee and Bevan saw nearly 70 years ago that private philanthropy would never bridge the gap between rich and poor on its own, yet that particular delusion has resurfaced amongst today's political pygmies. End-stage neoliberalism is truly ugly. It really is lamentable.

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And the execrable part is that the neo liberals embrace the ugliness. They welcome it. Shits.


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And worse than that, it's been so badly planned that there's been virtually no time to get these "social enterprises" ready to do more. I'm geerally sceptical of them anyway, but there are no doubt some people out there with good ideas: they can't raise any capital in the current economic climate. Thus, people already going like Emma Harrison clean up.


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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
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http://www.channel4.com/news/rich-list- ... -recession

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Britain's super-rich have got even richer over the last year, with the wealthiest 1,000 UK residents now worth a record £414bn.

That's according to this year's Sunday Times Rich List, which shows that the top 1,000 wealthiest people have bucked the recession and seen their wealth grow by 4.7 per cent.

The collective fortune's of the 1,000 richest people now stands at £414.26bn, passing the previous record of £412.85bn, set in 2008 just before the financial crash.

There are 77 billionaires in the 2012 rich list, two more than the previous record of 75 in 2008.


If I recall rightly - er, not that I'm speaking from personal experience or owt - even the very richest saw their wealth decline during the Great Depression. No sign of that happening now though.

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The wealthiest Briton is Rich List veteran the Duke of Westminster, in seventh place with an estimated £7.35bn thanks to his central London property empire.


So the richest Brit is an aristo born into immense wealth and who's never lifted a finger in his life. Says it all.

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Tory borough plans to move homeless away from London

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Homeless people face being moved outside their local area into rented accommodation rather than being placed on a waiting list for council housing under plans considered by a flagship Tory borough in the capital, according to leaked documents (pdf) obtained by the Guardian.

Hammersmith & Fulham council admitted last week it was in talks, along with Westminster and Kensington & Chelsea, to relocate 500 families on benefits to the Midlands – but said any agreement would not result in a large-scale exodus.

However, Hammersmith & Fulham's new strategy makes it clear that anyone claiming to be homeless will now be offered accommodation "potentially outside the borough" – a break with past policy which sought to offer the destitute a local home until they were allocated council housing.

This thinking extends to planning policy: more than 10,000 homes will be given planning consent in the borough this year, yet not one will be available to the poor on a social rent, even though mayor Boris Johnson's London plan requires a quarter of new developments to be available to those on low wages.

The authority admits its policy will "end the previously assumed link between a homelessness application and a social housing tenancy".


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The council wants to prioritise "wealth creators" rather than the impoverished in its housing strategy. It claims it already has too many poor people living on social rents in the borough.

Hammersmith, which is influential with Downing Street, argues that 70% of tenants in social housing are "workless and dependent on benefits ... [and] not making a contribution that could help drive economic growth".


Hey, Hammersmith and Fulhamites - you know the area where you've grown up, worked and spent your entire lives? Well, thanks to gentrification, decades of wage repression and rampant house price inflation it's beyond your budget now, so kindly fuck off so we can fill it with people more likely to vote Tory. Toodle pip.

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