Gay Marriage

Big Rob · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2012 10:13 pm

Civil rights are meant to protect minorities from repression.

Gay marriage is a civil right.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2012 10:17 pm

American Declaration of Independence

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

French Rights of Man

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Liberty consists in being able to do anything that does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of every man has no bounds other than those that ensure to the other members of society the enjoyment of these same rights.

Big Rob · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2012 10:51 pm

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

From a republican point of view that statement is only valid when it applies to republicans.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2012 11:07 pm

Yes. That's the problem, isn't it?

Big Rob · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2012 11:28 pm

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

Yes. That's the problem, isn't it?

storygirl · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2012 12:49 am

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

American Declaration of Independence

Quote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

French Rights of Man

Quote:

Liberty consists in being able to do anything that does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of every man has no bounds other than those that ensure to the other members of society the enjoyment of these same rights.

I have the terrible urge to ask you to define harm...I am half way through a blog post on dogging. Hardcore doggers get very excised about how their behaviour causes no harm, I believe no one has the right to inflict their sweaty arse thrusting away on anyone.

The problem with utilitarianism, which seems tobe what your quote bils down to is who decides what is acceptable.

Abernathy · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2012 7:17 am

I thought the doggers were the ones keen to view the thrusting sweaty arses?

storygirl · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2012 12:18 pm

Abernathy wrote:

I thought the doggers were the ones keen to view the thrusting sweaty arses?

Oh no, they join in too, although there are the more old fashioned peeping tom sort. Of course point out that many of the watching men would 30 years ago been peering through windows and you need to be prepared to make a swift exit. The do no harm thing comes up again there though, if someone is merely watching you through a window are they doing harm? They might argue no.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2012 1:04 pm

storygirl wrote:

The problem with utilitarianism, which seems tobe what your quote bils down to is who decides what is acceptable.

These Bills owe more to Rousseau and the enlightenment, really, but there are clear libertarian and utilitarian echoes, obviously.
Who decides? The polity decides, by the making of sensible laws, which can be challenged if found to be in error. All power derives from the people and all governance is on their behalf.

Big Rob · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:21 am

Gay couple become first in Britain to hold civil partnership ceremony in a church

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Pointless. Married in a church in front of a God that doesn't recognise their union. God's position is perfectly clear. Congratulations.
- PaulB, Northampton, 11/6/2012 16:46
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In Leviticus god's position is perfectly clear.

So is his position on eating prawns.

The mail v shellfish eating.

Big Rob · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:36 am

Plans to allow gay marriages 'could force Church to split from the state' for first time in 500 years

Fantastic.... no need not to push ahead with reform now!!!!

Big Rob · **Posted:** Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:37 am

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This would entail the cutting of ties between Church and state that have lasted for nearly 500 years, threatening a series of major consequences.

Consequences such as?

Bones McCoy · **Joined:** Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:08 am **Posts:** 7318

Big Rob wrote:

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This would entail the cutting of ties between Church and state that have lasted for nearly 500 years, threatening a series of major consequences.

Consequences such as?

Bumsex, in Church!!!

Winegums · **Joined:** Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:04 pm **Posts:** 706

Big Rob wrote:

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This would entail the cutting of ties between Church and state that have lasted for nearly 500 years, threatening a series of major consequences.

Consequences such as?

No more priests in lords? The queen either relinquishing her role as head of state or protector of the faith?

Jeezo, how ever shall we cope?

Bones McCoy · **Joined:** Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:08 am **Posts:** 7318

Winegums wrote:

Big Rob wrote:

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This would entail the cutting of ties between Church and state that have lasted for nearly 500 years, threatening a series of major consequences.

Consequences such as?

No more priests in lords? The queen either relinquishing her role as head of state or protector of the faith?

Jeezo, how ever shall we cope?

How ever shall we even notice? (FTFY)

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