One bit in particular I like:

PART II
NAME AND OBJECTIVES OF THE PARTY
2.5 The party is a democratic (aren't they all ) libertarian party and will espouse policies which:
- Promote and encourage those who aspire to improve their personal situation and those who seek to be self-reliant, whilst providing protection for those genuinely in need
- Favour the ability of individuals to make decisions in respect of themselves
- Seek to diminish the role of the state
- lower the burden of taxation on individuals and businesses
- ensure proper control over the United Kingdom's borders
- Strengthen and guarantee the essential, traditional freedoms and liberties of all people in the United Kingdom.

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"Emmett is able to write fairly well, he clearly isn't unintelligent overall" - Quote MALCO - Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:57 pm

Yeah. That old democracy thing - what a laugh that it's in UKIP's constitution.

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I suppose it has to be there. All I'm saying is that any political party which requires people to vote them into office when they stand for election in a democratic political system... well how can it be anything else?

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"Emmett is able to write fairly well, he clearly isn't unintelligent overall" - Quote MALCO - Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:57 pm

How does a "libertarian party" reconcile the fact that it wants to "ensure proper control over the United Kingdom's borders". Surely the two are mutually exclusive? Doesn't the libertarian part mean that UKIP want anyone to do / go wherever they please? How is this possible if the borders are restricted and only certain people can move around freely? Answers on a post card please.

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I've observed that the free movement tends to refer to "Moving my money to a tax haven" or "moving jobs to Bangalore" or even "moving this truckload of weapons to a petty gulf dictatorship.
ie things that They (tm) do.

It soon dries up when things like "relocating for career opportunities" or "going to live somewhere where the cunt in charge is less likely to kill me" is suggested. ie things that We (tm) do.

Except of course when he wants a bunch of Albanians to work his mushroom farm for £1.20/hr - because that's a special case and it's trade.

I wonder how keen on democracy UKIP would be if they got power, had a referendum and a majority voted to stay in the EU...

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Neither are likely, but it's an interesting theoretical position to consider.
I'd imagine it would be similar to where the SNP stand in Scotland.
They hold a majority, but on present polls won't secure their majority for independence.

In a similar situation, I'd imagine UKIP doing similar things, but with their own ingrained personality traits.

Using every speech to push their political viewpoint.
Deferring the referendum until some time when they think it will be more winnable.
Meanwhile stoking the fires of "national pride" with celebrations of Battle of Britain day, Trafalgar Day.
(All based around Tommy Atkins killing as many Frogs, Krauts, Wops, Dagoes as possible).
Do all they can to "repatriate" powers from Europe back to Westminister.
Play a spoiling game in Europe.

Easy isn't it? If you are a citizen of this country then to mantain your liberty borders must be strongly enforced and deffended. If you do not do this then it is not possible to guarantee or maintain liberty for citizens of the country. The only way to avoid being in this position is to make sure every other country on the planet is civilised to the same standard, equal access to all resources for every man and no sense that there would be anything to gain from using muscle to get your way in someone else's yard.

If you create a liberal society which works really nicely where noone wants for anything and everyone is pleasent to everyone else then you have to protect and deffend it.

If we had a majority (i.e. power) at Westminster then we wouldn't hold a referendum on the EU. We'd just end our membership of it. If we were elected in that way we'd have a mandate from the people to make that happen. By not voting UKIP into office people are saying they want to continue being a member of the EU amongst other things.

The second policy of UKIP is to begin to introduce the UK to direct democracy. So even if you don't like what UKIP stands for a system of direct democracy should reflect the demands of the people.

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"Emmett is able to write fairly well, he clearly isn't unintelligent overall" - Quote MALCO - Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:57 pm

Which is exactly the case, isn't it?

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Which is why I said it? dur?

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"Emmett is able to write fairly well, he clearly isn't unintelligent overall" - Quote MALCO - Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:57 pm

Then why bother promulgating this political busted flush? Dur?

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Great



So UKIP wants to ensure proper control over the United Kingdom's borders by diminishing the role of the state.

Also.....

As for lowering the tax burden.... (as well as diminishing the role of the state)....

http://www.general-election-2010.co.uk/ ... fence.html




Yet another hypocritical political party.... whould'a thunk...

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So how does all this freedoms and rights of the individual stuff fit with Farage's desire to repeal the smoking ban and tobacco control mainly because he's too lazy/antisocial to pop outside for a fag?

Oh yes that's right - it doesn't.

...i assume there is another part of the constitution which explains what these "essential, traditional freedoms and liberties" actually are? otherwise this is meaningless.

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Bans on things aren't liberal.

Not in a constitution. It would be policies which go into specific detail, they change all the time. The constitution is fairly static and is more like a template for the party.

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"Emmett is able to write fairly well, he clearly isn't unintelligent overall" - Quote MALCO - Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:57 pm