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My fears are as above. All he has to do is paint the others as bad and him as some poor inoffensive patriotic lamblion hybrid, and he could look 'good'. Hopefully someone with some fucking integrity will pin him down and take big chunks out of his rhetoric. I feel the best outcome will be the BNP screaming bias, more than anything else.


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...I would prefer it if they instead put their efforts into sending in awkward questions or photos, or preparing a representative to go on against him.


They have. I'm not convinced by the UAF's disruption approach but, contrary to the impression given by the media, that isn't the only approach UAF use. They are a campaigning body in addition to taking direct action. Alas, folks dishing out flyers, lobbying MPs and spreading the word through trade unions and other high profile organisations isn't as newsworthy as a high street kerfuffle.


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I so hope that someone brings up the Panorama programme tonight, really is quite shocking


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"let him go on the show and make a tit of himself" argument these days


This is the general consensus of the office. I don't want people to "boo hiss" the bastard, but to take him apart with intelligent debate

My boss reckons Hague is the best man for the job


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Without wishing to shamelessly plug...

http://bbnmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/ ... g-bnp.html


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Without wishing to shamelessly plug...



Isn't that a bit like "I'm no racist, but ....." <insert>.


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bluebellnutter wrote:
Without wishing to shamelessly plug...



Isn't that a bit like "I'm no racist, but ....." <insert>.


I'm no shameless plugger, after all some of my best friends never shamelessly plug anything...


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I've a concern, following the Army statement about use of military imagery (Spitfires etc) by certain political parties (they never explicitly named the BNP but it's pretty clear they meant them), Griffin now has a new card to play.

In a statement yesterday, the BNp compared senior army figures to the likes of Jodl, Doenitz etc, as 'war criminals' for waging war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, whether this means they admire them (what with, you know, being Nazis) or simply want to play a Reducto ad Hitlerum, can you consider Griffin playing the "We're anti-war" card? I can.

Of course, I was an opponent of the war in Iraq, and have deep reservations about our continued presence in Afghanistan, but do you think someone will get the chance to explain that there is a difference between personally disapproving of a misguided military action and calling the leaders of it war criminals? Because, as we know, to the populist, black is black, white is white and never the twain shall meet. Of course, the BNP's opposal to these wars is rooted more in a 'fuck 'em, they're foreign' mentality than anything to do with international law, a skewed Special Relationship and misguided anger following 9/11.

Personally I hope the attack on the army does for them as it did for McCarthy back in the 1950s. It'll have the tabloids split though - between their constant hard-on for all things 'our boys' related, and their constant subliminal message of "Yes, yes, we really secretly agree with you but please stop saying 'nigger' out loud."


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[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221619/BNP-hijacking-forces-heritage-Generals-fear-extremists-exploiting-servicemen.html]BBC to allow BNP supporters into Question Time audience to watch leader Nick Griffin
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Several are expected to be allowed in, setting the scene for angry clashes with anti-fascist protesters who have also been urged to apply for seats.


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Mr Griffin's appearance is being compared to the prime-time TV debut of far-right French politician Jean-Marie Le Pen, leader of the Front National.

He saw support for his party double overnight after he was questioned on a leading political programme in France in 1984.


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BBC presenter David Dimbleby has been given the green light to question Mr Griffin about everything from the Holocaust to immigration to avoid accusations he is given an easy ride.


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Police ready for Question Time trouble

Scotland Yard will mount an unprecedented security operation outside the BBC when Nick Griffin appears on Question Time tomorrow.

Amid fears that anti-racism campaigners could try to storm the BBC Television Centre in West London, up to 300 officers are expected to be on duty.

Dozens more riot-trained officers will be on standby in case trouble flares when the BNP leader appears on the flagship political discussion programme.


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Sounds like the Gerry Springer show.


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The following is apparently from the text of Griffin's weekly email to subscribers to the BNP's website email list :

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However, members and supporters must be aware that this show will be a stage-managed farce organised in a specific way to leave several impressions:

The audience will be hand-picked and overtly hostile - thus giving the impression that the British people at large must be hostile to BNP views.

The panellists will be overtly hostile, even the non-political guests will be hostile. Everyone will be hostile - this will leave the impression to non-informed viewers that BNP views have minority status.

I will, no doubt, be interrupted, shouted down, slandered, put on the spot, and subject to a scrutiny that would be a thousand times more intense than anything directed at other panellists.

It will, in other words, be political blood sport.


Nick Griffin


Political blood sport? I do hope so.


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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Sounds like the Gerry Springer show.


Is that on before or after the Jerry Springer show?


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The National Union of Journalists just waded in:

http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=1381


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I know QT is always recorded earlier in the evening but it's a pity it isn't live. Some of the best bits might not make it to air. I'm thinking with the audience. I doubt there will be any segregation like at a footy match. If there was it could well descend into a chanting match between the pocket of BNP pricks (probably sat on the extreme right-hand side of the studio audience[!]) and the rest. There might be the odd scuffle in the studio because we're not just talking about Labour sat next to Tory, we're talking about people having to be sat next to someone with totally repugnant views.

If I was a Government minister appearing on the programme I'd have spent every spare moment of the past week or so studying footage of Griffin, using all the relevant resources the Government had. Getting a top body language expert in to study it so as to see which specific types of questions and subjects he is most uncomfortable with so I could target those specific areas, anything to provoke a negative reaction from him so he can shed himself in a bad light.
Because as James O'Brien said on GMTV this morning, short of goosestepping round the studio or shouting "sieg heil" he's not going to come out of this badly. That's why I'd do what some footy managers do before big games if I was on QT tonight- study the opposition and home in on their weaknesses. An academic said yesterday that Jean-Marie Le Pen saw membership of his party double after appearing on a similar programme in France in 1984. Never mind the BNP membership doubling- what if their VOTES double from nearly a million? That's why I would hope Griffin's fellow panellists go on ultra-prepared.


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Abernathy wrote:
The following is apparently from the text of Griffin's weekly email to subscribers to the BNP's website email list :

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However, members and supporters must be aware that this show will be a stage-managed farce organised in a specific way to leave several impressions:

The audience will be hand-picked and overtly hostile - thus giving the impression that the British people at large must be hostile to BNP views.

The panellists will be overtly hostile, even the non-political guests will be hostile. Everyone will be hostile - this will leave the impression to non-informed viewers that BNP views have minority status.

I will, no doubt, be interrupted, shouted down, slandered, put on the spot, and subject to a scrutiny that would be a thousand times more intense than anything directed at other panellists.

It will, in other words, be political blood sport.


Nick Griffin


Political blood sport? I do hope so.


That entire email looks like he's having second thoughts about it. AOB's pretty much got it right, the panelists (and by extension audience) really need to find the questions which are going to unstick Griffin.

Personally, I think it'd be immensely clever if somebody simply asked a very specific question which has nothing to do with race or immigration - something like the postal strike, the economy or whether advertisers are promoting Christmas crap too early. He'll either fumble the question with a lame unprepared response, or somehow work immigration back in to the equation and show him up as a single-issue fool.


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