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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:33 am 
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I had words on Twitter with someone I actually quite admire, because I pointed out that this is a journalists' view of education. Because journalists are essentially educated (in some cases) ignoramuses they can't envisage the idea that others have highly developed knowledge and skills, which is why they downgrade doctors, nurses, teachers etc. They think that everybody wings it and makes it up, like they do. That any old performance, however crap, will do. It's why they hate being called on Twitter and other social media - we should just accept what they write and believe them.

There are some honourable exceptions amongst journalists, but not many, and you won't find them adorning Dacre's organ.


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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:59 pm 
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I had words on Twitter with someone I actually quite admire, because I pointed out that this is a journalists' view of education. Because journalists are essentially educated (in some cases) ignoramuses they can't envisage the idea that others have highly developed knowledge and skills, which is why they downgrade doctors, nurses, teachers etc. They think that everybody wings it and makes it up, like they do. That any old performance, however crap, will do. It's why they hate being called on Twitter and other social media - we should just accept what they write and believe them.

There are some honourable exceptions amongst journalists, but not many, and you won't find them adorning Dacre's organ.


I'd agree with that assessment. A lot of journos (and not a few right wing people in general that I have met) do seem to think that doctors behave like some sort of sinister cabal whose purpose it is is to poison kiddies with their evil vaccines and close ranks when they are "discovered" doing this, or that all teachers are hard line communists who are devoted to brainwashing their pupils minds with their marxist ways. That the "boffins" (note the slightly derogatory; out of touch / elitist assumptions in that moniker) at CERN really are trying to set off a black hole in the Earths core just like in that Star Trek film they saw. These hacks do seem to think that professional people are almost all doing what they do for some dodgy ulterior motives, rather than more mundane and straight forward reasons. It doesn't seem to click in their small brains that doctors / nurses may just do their line of work out of a desire to help people, or that a teacher teaches because he wants to errr.. teach. That many scientists do what they do cause they're interested in how the world works and not because they want to invent superviruses or death rays or whatever else journos dream up to justify column space. They do seem to think everyone is as cynical and on the take as much as they are. Pretty shitty worldview to have if you ask me. :(

I know it's veering off the topic a bit, but it's relevent to the journos and professionals discussion. Is this part of the reason why nurses in particular seem to get so much flak off journos like Christina Odone and Kelvin McCuntzie? They seem to personally despise nurses even if they haven't even had any direct reason to, such as a bad experience in hospital with their treatment. Are these people just taking their own morals and values (or lack of them) and extrapolating them onto others? Do they dislike nurses so much becuase they cannot conceive that anyone would do such (to their eyes not mine) "menial" work for such a small salary without having dodgy intentions. That nurses are to be distrusted and detested because they are seen by default; to be in the role to abuse their position, becuase that's exactly what the likes of these journos would do if they were in their shoes (something they would never "lower" themselves to, I'm sure.) Or this dislike of professionals may be because they are resentful of people who do jobs that demand a lot of hard work and personal sacrifices to help others, and this reflects on them like a mirror how worthless their own "professional" lives are, where they get the hundreds of thousands of pounds they don't deserve, for typing up all their bile and lies on a daily fucking basis. Or am I just being too generous on these people having that sort of facility for this sort of self critical analysis?


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Or this dislike of professionals may be because they are resentful of people who do jobs that demand a lot of hard work and personal sacrifices to help others, and this reflects on them like a mirror how worthless their own "professional" lives are, where they get the hundreds of thousands of pounds they don't deserve, for typing up all their bile and lies on a daily fucking basis. Or am I just being too generous on these people having that sort of facility for this sort of self critical analysis?


This, completely.
If you're a teacher you have to put up with a significant number of people who believe you do the job so that you can abuse children. Which says more about them, too, I suspect.
With nurses there's also the feeling amongst some that they are people who wanted to be but couldn't hack being a doctor. Which, when exhibited by a journalist, breaks the irony meter.


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The journalistic profession is, at least for newspaper reporters, poorly paid and with little job security. The rewards offered at the higher echelons mean that there are no shortage of people trying to get in. Competition is fierce, and the old image of the sleuthing reporter painstakingly uncovering scandal, has been replaced by an emphasis on quantity over quality, a need to fill space at all costs.

To a degree, I can see why journalists get trapped in an ever decreasing circle. They fill space with shit, then when the readers accept this, they come to believe that all the readers deserve is shit, therefore they are shit, and shit is what they will get.

The lack of job security and tendency to cut corners certainly affects their worldview - along with a cynical assumption that everyone is on the make.

Finally, the living soap opera (the tendency to serve up all people in the public eye as characters in an unfolding drama for the public's consumption and amusement, rather than as actual people) means that journalists see people as not quite people, but as a commodity.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
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Discussed elsewhere I know.

But I can't imagine that 'Lympics opening ceremony tallying well with wee Mickey's view of history.
He'd have replaced Brannagh and all the extras with an old chap in gown and mortar board forcing the audience to chant off a list of kings and dates.


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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
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'Free schools? A lousy Tory sham to serve the ruthlessly ambitious middle classes'

A senior Cambridge University admissions tutor today delivers a withering attack on the Government's flagship free schools policy – saying it serves only "the ruthlessly ambitious middle classes and religious zealots".

Dr Michael Hrebeniak, director of English studies and senior admissions tutor at Wolfson College, Cambridge, accuses the Department for Education of racism and sexism in its rejection of a plan by two women teachers to set up a school to steer pupils – in particular black boys – away from the gang culture in south London. Last night he called for a judicial review of that decision.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:22 pm 
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Playing fields still being sold off, despite ministers' pledge to protect them

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z22s0nlwlk
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The figures, released under the Freedom of Information Act, show Mr Gove has ratified 21 out of 22 requests to sell playing fields since the 2010 election.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
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In 13 years of the previous government, more than 200 school playing fields were approved for sale and around 10,000 were sold between 1979 to 1997, said the Guardian.


Labour's fault.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
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Hot on the heels of selling off over 20 school playing fields, we now discover the rules on schools having such fields are to be 'relaxed'...


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it has emerged schools must now only provide "suitable outdoor space".


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An estimated 10,000 playing fields were disposed of between 1979 and 1997 when the Conservatives were in power.

Figures from the DfE also show 213 playing fields were approved for sale between 1999 and April 2010, under the last Labour government.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19263693


Maybe we should push for Latin to be made an Olympic, event?

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
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It is worth flicking through today's Times. Inside is an opinion piece from Gove where he asserts that 'the left saw the pursuit of excellence as narrowly elitist'. He then goes on to say 'that we must end this arid debate once and for all by modernising our exams'. This from a man who wants to re-introduce O levels. Honestly folks, you must all read this article.


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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
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Yeah, the anti-elitist left. I bet EP Thompson, Ralph Milliband and all sat around saying "You know what's wrong with your book? It's too excellent"

Gove's also relaxed standards on the number of toilets.


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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
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Talking about Cameron's forthcoming reshuffle Nick Wood wrote this about Gove.

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Ministers and MPs from the traditional, or right-wing, side of the party.
One option would be promote Michael Gove, the Education Secretary, and put him centre stage by giving him the Home Office. Gove is one of the few success stories of this Coalition and has the knack of appealing both to the modernising Cameroons and the more traditional MPs.
He has brought rigour and depth to his work at Education, not least making the case for tougher exams and a more academically demanding curriculum. He has also shown courage and courtesy in standing up to the teacher unions.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z23cVBBq9H


I wonder what evidence Wood can supply to back up his assessment of Gove? Gove seems to spout a lot of stuff that the Mail likes to hear but how many of his proposals have actually been put into practice? I'd also like to know when he showed any courtesy to the teaching unions.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
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Gove is one of the few success stories of this Coalition


Comedy gold! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Gove
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Hot on the heels of selling off over 20 school playing fields, we now discover the rules on schools having such fields are to be 'relaxed'...


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it has emerged schools must now only provide "suitable outdoor space".


Not very good at burying bad news, are they? You'd have thought they'd wait for the post-Olympics afterglow to dissipate before sneaking that one out.

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Comedy gold indeed. However, it is worth reading Patrick Collins's Mailonline piece from today. I think Collins is one of the few agreeable writers at the Mail and you are unlikely to find any other article that demolishes the Tories and their ideas and policies concerning schools and sport more accurately than this one. I am afraid to say that I fisted the air after I finished reading it.

I would link to it but I haven't worked out how to copy and paste properly on this pad thingy. Honest, I am not a lazy bugger. :D

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Comedy gold! :lol:


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