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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Should Daniel Craig give up Bond so that one of the blokes from the Strongbow ads gets a turn?

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I think you know that's not what I mean.

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 Post subject: Re: Mock The Week
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:53 pm 
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shyamz wrote:
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I accept the existence of advertising, but it does seem a bit tawdry for people to do it who don't need to. I don't mind the Go Compare bloke or a struggling actor.

Ben Elton didn't do adverts, did he? I quite like that. I can't see why he's not supposed to write musicals, mind.


I agree with this. It is not difficult to work out if someone doing an advert is well of enough that they don't need to be doing it. You could extend that argument to say that an actor with no work and little money could have had that job, and the money would have been of some obvious benefit to them.

Who decides who is allowed to do advertisements then? You? Me? A Daily Mail reader?
I presume that you shun films which have anybody you've heard of in them then because those roles should have gone to struggling unknowns.
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And Ben Elton shouldn't write musicals because he is shit at them, not because of any monetary reasons. Hope that clears that one up. :)


Which Ben Elton musicals have you seen? Were you expecting them to be good?
Whatever, that they are "shit" is a subjective decision on your part. In this instance, it's one I suspect I agree with (based on the excerpts that I've heard and the reviews I've read), but that is neither here nor there. Why should we inflict our taste on other people? Would you be happy for the government to decide who can write musicals? Or Simon Cowell maybe?
What about a panel comprising Melanie Phillips, Richard Littlejohn and Peter Hitchens? Why not? They're successful journalists and social commentators who have become household names writing for a very popular newspaper, should they be determining what musicals you and I can go and see?

When enough people agree with us that Ben Elton writes shit musicals he will stop because they won't make enough money to be viable. But until then they won't bother me because I won't go to them. Sadly it seems that it will bother you, because you don't seem to like other people enjoying something which is not to your taste.
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 Post subject: Re: Mock The Week
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Should Daniel Craig give up Bond so that one of the blokes from the Strongbow ads gets a turn?

Yes, because he's a terrible bond.....


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But if he's that bad, and most people agree with you (which I don't think they do) he won't be offered the gig again, will he? Given that huge multinational companies don't usually spend many, many millions producing things that will lose them money.


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And even when that day comes, which it inevitably will, it is unlikely the gig will be given to some poor, struggling unknown actor (from the Strongbow ads or elsewhere). The Bond series is one of the most successful fillum franchises ever. Why would the makers risk damaging it by choosing an unknown? They'll go for some with a proven track record, who's reliable and popular......... a bit like they did with Daniel Craig in fact.

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 Post subject: Re: Mock The Week
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Not after the George Lazenby incident.

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 Post subject: Re: Mock The Week
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Not after the George Lazenby incident.

Quite. And he was an unknown spotted in an ad IIRC.
Did one fillum and they went straight back to Connery.

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Yep. It says on his Wiki page that he was "talked out of doing any more by his agent" because "Secret Agent fillums wouldn't be popular in the '70s".

Which is complete bollocks. EVERYONE in the industry knows the truth.

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 Post subject: Re: Mock The Week
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In my humble opinion, the Compare The Market ads was a stroke of genius, the current Direct Line commercials aren't too bad either. Both are designed to try and capture your attention and remember them with a bit of fun. The tenor in the Go Compare! adverts though deserves a good punch. Or ten.

Back on topic, I like MTW not so much because of one or two individual comedians, but very much because of the way Dara O'Brian and the different panellists bounce off each other though editing I'm sure helps that a lot. When Frankie Boyle left they were trying too hard to have someone fill his shock jock boots, but I reckon the current flow of the programmes work well.

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For old musings on the Meerkats and other shite, see the first post on this thread. :

http://www.mailwatch.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2667&hilit=meerkat

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Just had a gander at right said thread, and saw this bit of advice:

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I regularly miss the second half of ITV & C4 programmes (or 'shows') through ad dodging.

Vote with your feet: channel hop during the ads.


I think it's a sad indictment on the sheer over-saturation of adverts we see today that I'd completely forgotten that was a viable option when watching television. As an unemployed doss bag, I speak with considerable experience when I say that doing this today is literally impossible, because the adverts are co-ordinated to overlap across channels. I haven't got involved in this discussion because my opinion is illogical, unenforceable and quite frankly, fuelled by the deep resentment of the terminally unmotivated. Yes, deep down I know that in a fair society companies have the right to get as rich as they like and make as many adverts with actors, animals or whatever they please. The problem is that it doesn't take long before television loses it's original purpose (to broadcast programmes) and just becomes a ticking billboard.

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 Post subject: Re: Mock The Week
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shyamz wrote:
And Ben Elton shouldn't write musicals because he is shit at them, not because of any monetary reasons. Hope that clears that one up. :)


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Which Ben Elton musicals have you seen? Were you expecting them to be good?


I worked in the west end, several months of which were spent on one of his musicals. I did not think I needed to explain that as I have mentioned it before and would simply be repeating myself.

A simple, silly, throwaway comment made to another forum user about Ben Elton making crap musicals, and for some reason you blow it out of all proportion and think I'm saying some specialy elected commitee of right wingers should decide who gets to gets to write shows, that I don't watch films unless they only contain unknown actors, or -and this is the one you keep bringing up and is arguably the worst of the lot- that I don't think people should be allowed to watch things simply because I don't like them - as if I am not allowed to say I dislike something for legitamate reasons because you will see that as me saying something should be banned!11! just because there is someone involved that I don't like.

I said no such things, as anyone else reading my posts can clearly see. And yet you accuse me of exaggeration?

I do not know what exactly is going on here, but at the risk of been accused of leaving an argument because "you know you are wrong" as some will no doubt say, I'm done with this shit.

I don't know what you are waiting for or what has pissed you off recently, but I do not play these games.

It ends, now.

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Just had a gander at right said thread, and saw this bit of advice:

Socket wrote:
I regularly miss the second half of ITV & C4 programmes (or 'shows') through ad dodging.

Vote with your feet: channel hop during the ads.


I think it's a sad indictment on the sheer over-saturation of adverts we see today that I'd completely forgotten that was a viable option when watching television. As an unemployed doss bag, I speak with considerable experience when I say that doing this today is literally impossible, because the adverts are co-ordinated to overlap across channels. I haven't got involved in this discussion because my opinion is illogical, unenforceable and quite frankly, fuelled by the deep resentment of the terminally unmotivated. Yes, deep down I know that in a fair society companies have the right to get as rich as they like and make as many adverts with actors, animals or whatever they please. The problem is that it doesn't take long before television loses it's original purpose (to broadcast programmes) and just becomes a ticking billboard.



We Sky+ any programmes we like that carry commercials and then 30X fast-forward. We've probably saved a fortnight of our lives and TBH at our age you are grateful for that kind of bonus.


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Some of the ad breaks on satellite TV are so long that I forget what I've been watching...

Any idea how much it costs to update a Sky+ box to the big memory version? I've ended up with loads of kids' movies and series on 'keep'.


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