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 Post subject: Re: Return of the NotW 'phone-hacking scandal?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:30 pm 
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Bit of a tangent, but I've been watching a documentary about Joanna Yeats' murder. Not surprisingly, the documentary includes Chris Jeffries.

He comes across as, well, normal. Nay, far more pleasant than normal. Like a nice teacher from a slightly gentler age.

What cunts the press are. It seems they latched on to him because his alibi was that he was home reading. Inspector Morse would have enjoyed that one.


Saw him at Leveson. He seemed to almost enjoy his time in the spotlight there.
I mean that in a nice way. He finally got a chance to tell his story. Was at pains to emphasise to the contrary of reports that he actually hated Christina Rossetti's poetry (which was supposedly obsessed with death) .


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:32 pm 
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At the very least you'd expect Ed to have another pop at Cameron's judgement in employing Coulson at the next PMQs.

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:34 pm 
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David Allen Green pointing out that if it was pretty well certain that Coulson was going to be prosecuted he would have been released on bail; he wasn't, he was just released. This may indicate that the police are less than completely confident in their case.

Of course, if with one bound he is free, Cameron will use this as a vindication.


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Scottish justice seems to move faster than English. The red headed one wasn't charged so soon after arrest.
Worst case scenario (for him), assuming conviction, is that he comes out of a Scottish jail, is rearrested by the Met and charged with other offences in England.

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Given that the Met seems at last to be growing a pair that is quite possible. Just before the next election would be good...


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:46 pm 
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David Allen Green points out that the fact that Coulson has been arrested and charged does not mean that there will automatically be a prosecution. The Procurator Fiscal operates in a way analagous to the Crown Prosecution Service and must decide if there is sufficient evidence to make a prosecution likely to be successful.

But that said...

I don't follow that. In a case like this, I would expect the CPS (and the PF) to have agreed to him being charged.

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:48 pm 
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Arnold wrote:
Scottish justice seems to move faster than English. The red headed one wasn't charged so soon after arrest.
Worst case scenario (for him), assuming conviction, is that he comes out of a Scottish jail, is rearrested by the Met and charged with other offences in England.


Oooh now then!

I was thinking this was something to be chucked in with the other shit- or more serious, so that the other gets ignored, and served concurrently.

It's actually two completely different systems. How did I forget?


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:52 pm 
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Confusion reigns supreme. Graun and C4 saying that he has actually been charged but that's it.

Half the problem must be that the Times have no-one left up there these days, the Hootsmon and the Herald are more than a man-down to put it mildly, and as far as the Daily Record are concerned, well...

As much as it pains me to say it, Twitter will probably yield a clearer picture.

Seems to also be a debate over the maximum penalty for perjury in the High Court. Either five years minimum or a five year maximum tariff - again, it depends on the source. Let's hope it's the latter, eh?

Anyway. Let's turn our speculative little minds towards the wonderful relationship that the Scots judiciary has with London and whether they could possibly resist the opportunity to aim an ermine-clad Doc Marten in the direction of Coulson's crotch.

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:54 pm 
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Arnold wrote:
Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
David Allen Green points out that the fact that Coulson has been arrested and charged does not mean that there will automatically be a prosecution. The Procurator Fiscal operates in a way analagous to the Crown Prosecution Service and must decide if there is sufficient evidence to make a prosecution likely to be successful.

But that said...

I don't follow that. In a case like this, I would expect the CPS (and the PF) to have agreed to him being charged.


That means that there is enough evidence to put before the Procurator Fiscal. The PF will decide whether or not a prosecution will succeed - that won't be done on the files submitted so far, I suspect, and will require some thought. This is a case with considerable political ramifications in Scotland and England.

Under the English system people are often arrested and charged, and then the CPS decides not to proceed, either for lack of evidence or because the prosecution would not be in the public interest.

That said, I'm not an expert, which is why I am quoting Green, who is.


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 Post subject: Re: Return of the NotW 'phone-hacking scandal?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:56 pm 
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Any sign of the First Minister today?

These charges might be hurting jobs, or something.


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 Post subject: Re: Return of the NotW 'phone-hacking scandal?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:07 pm 
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Arnold wrote:
Worst case scenario (for him), assuming conviction, is that he comes out of a Scottish jail, is rearrested by the Met and charged with other offences in England.


Snakes and ladders if you haven't been to Eton or have Murdoch DNA. But can they really afford to have him loose in any prison? He was literally at the heart of Number 10; that's RIPA, Eyes Only, Developed Vetting territory (which of course, he didn't undergo, as I understand it), tOSA'89, the whole shebang up to literally national security (so no dice for association in Belmarsh). What a catastrophe, and what a tangled web. A Sheridan miscarriage verdict would be yet another big card in the Chardin style house folding. Becoming more byzantine than The Big Sleep screen adaptation... where does it all start and where does it all end :?:

At least playwrites, authors and dramatists can get plenty of contemporary mileage from what we're seeing now. Dante, Lear, 16th century frescos etc., it's all in there--the game never changes only the players o_0

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Given how much it must have cost to send 7 officers down to London to collect Coulson and take him back to Glasgow I would hope that the case they have put together is a very strong one, if he had simply been helping police with their inquiries I would have thought a couple of officers would have just gone down to London and interviewed him in a local police station.

If the case against him rests on his claim that there wasn't 'a widespread culture of phone hacking at the NOTW', then surely the Met police must have already gathered enough evidence by now to totally destroy such a claim.

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 Post subject: Re: Return of the NotW 'phone-hacking scandal?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:22 pm 
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If they haven't been retired early or bent the rules to deflect their own murky involvement, or simply just shredded large chunks of it (awkward bar bills for example) :/

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:25 pm 
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Possibly they sent extra officers to search his premises.


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Guardian article on what Coulson actually said in the Glasgow high court:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/ma ... CMP=twt_gu


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