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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:31 pm 
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The Wilson/Callaghan era is before my time, but it does seem to me that another 1979 moment is approaching. The coalition are trying to pull all the old Thatcherite levers, but it isn't having any (positive) effect. The Blairites/Cameroons/Orange Bookers remind me a bit of Greyfriars Bobby, forlornly sat by the grave of a dead orthodoxy wondering why it won't come back to life - they're well behind the curve. In fairness to Ed Miliband, I think he gets it but the test for him, and social democrats generally, is carving out a coherent alternative.

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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:38 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:06 pm 
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A very confused piece from Rob Marchant on Ed Miliband's recent appearance at the Durham Miners' Gala. Apparently his speech was fine, but because it was at an event attended by actual working-class people in the north, it won't play too well with southern voters. Or something.

http://labourlist.org/2012/07/soothing- ... ublic-210/

I thought it made a pleasant change to see a Labour leader - the first to appear at the Gala for nearly a quarter of a century - actually reaching out to his long-neglected core vote, even if certain sections of his own party would rather pretend these people don't exist. I'm struggling to see how Mondeo Man is likely to be too alarmed by it, to be honest.

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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:18 pm 
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I agree. It was important for Ed to be at the gala. Though Sayeeda Warsi was doing her level (crap) best to stir up Mail-ite reaction, I noticed - I'd say to no perceptible effect.

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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:46 pm 
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new puritan wrote:
A very confused piece from Rob Marchant on Ed Miliband's recent appearance at the Durham Miners' Gala. Apparently his speech was fine, but because it was at an event attended by actual working-class people in the north, it won't play too well with southern voters. Or something.

http://labourlist.org/2012/07/soothing- ... ublic-210/

I thought it made a pleasant change to see a Labour leader - the first to appear at the Gala for nearly a quarter of a century - actually reaching out to his long-neglected core vote, even if certain sections of his own party would rather pretend these people don't exist. I'm struggling to see how Mondeo Man is likely to be too alarmed by it, to be honest.

And of course he was attacked from both sides. I found myself standing next to a bloke who insisted on bellowing "You're a millionaire" at him all the way through his speech. After the fifth or sixth time I told him to shut up, so he then started telling me all about what a hypocrite Milliband was because he wasn't a real socialist. :roll:
I pointed out that Atlee died a long time ago and that, unfortunately, the choice we have is Milliband or Cameron. He didn't seem to grasp this, however he did understand that the crowd were becoming hostile towards him and the amount of noise he was making when they were trying to listen and he made his escape.

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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
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It's bad enough when they attack Socialists who've evolved beyond keeping coal in the bath never mind when we do it ourselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
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"You're a millionaire"?

Wasn't Clem pretty well off as well?

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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
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Abernathy wrote:
"You're a millionaire"?

Wasn't Clem pretty well off as well?


Well yes, I used him as an example of a Socialist Labour leader.

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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:06 am 
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I thought that Miliband is a 'millionaire' by dint of owning/inheriting a big house in Hampstead?


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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
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I thought that Miliband is a 'millionaire' by dint of owning/inheriting a big house in Hampstead?

Stop being so PC. Everybody knows every millionaire has £1m or more in their current account. Bill Gates has billions in his, all available to spend on his Maestro card. That's how being a millionaire works, innit?

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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
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How foolish of me. I should have realised, because my wallet continually bulges with the full value of my house...


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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:53 pm 
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One for Tubby Isaacs here. A nasty little hatchet job from Marchant on Lutfur Rahman and his backers on Tower Hamlets council. The references to Kinnock and Militant say a lot though - the Labour right still sees itself as fighting the battles of 25 years ago.

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Instead of aiming for a form of politics which is colour-blind to race, what we have done is alternately coddled and cajoled the ethnic communities with members in this and other inner-city parties with a nod and a wink, saying that we are happy to leave them to their own devices; that we understand that things are “different” in their communities. In the end, that unthinking assumption is simply the racism of low expectations.


http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2012/07/25/ti ... ets-party/

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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Anti-racists are the real racists!



Which is exactly what the EDL say.

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 Post subject: Re: Labour Uncut
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:15 pm 
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Keir Hardie and Woody Guthrie weren't millionaires. What a bs political system when you need 6 figs min to stand for the top job. Look at this Romney character (who's just called Ed "Mr Leader"...); nothing to the man, just oodles of cash. What have they actually done, what are they actually saying? Who will they help?

If Milliband wants credibility, he should turn his inherited Hampstead mansion into a liberal care home for marginalised and abandoned youngsters. Where are the Shaftesbury figures in this opposition ffs?

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