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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:34 pm 
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Rusbridger should have resigned because of that.


Why do you say that? I've felt as betrayed, as have many others, by the way the LD said one thing and did the other, but you can't blame him for supporting them - as far as I'm aware he was acting on the same evidence we all were.

Now, their continued support (or, at least, lack of denunciation) of the LD party is another matter altogether.


Exactly. He should be gone.

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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:36 pm 
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But only the Graun had the balls to support Nick Davies.


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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
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Guardian and The Times. Read the Indy for about 15 years prior to the Guardian but found it a bit flaccid. Still look through it when I see a copy and not tempted back, although it is ok.

That said, on a train with nothing to read and I'll run for a discarded Telegraph over any red top. I can factor in the bias and still appreciate that it is written for adults.


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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
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Indy and Grauniad on-line. Plus the New Statesman and other bits & pieces.


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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
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:roll: . Why is it most right wingers you get in arguments with think just because you have left leaning views you must read the Guardian. Im pretty left wing but I hate the bloody thing.


Because right-wingers tend to generalise and look for meaningless smears with which to insult (see also 'PC brigade' and 'do-gooders').


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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:31 pm 
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:roll: . Why is it most right wingers you get in arguments with think just because you have left leaning views you must read the Guardian. Im pretty left wing but I hate the bloody thing.


Because right-wingers tend to generalise and look for meaningless smears with which to insult (see also 'PC brigade' and 'do-gooders').

Exactly, it's like we are all gay, effnic, vegetarian, tree-hugging pacifists.

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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
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The Graun has its faults (supporting the Lib Dems high among them) but, the lifestyle bits aside, it's generally decent - and obviously, Nick Davies' phone-hacking work has been outstanding and it's well worth supporting for that alone. None of the major papers come close to it, really. I don't mind the Independent but its editorial line on economic issues tends to be pretty strongly neoliberal, which puts me off a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
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I don't mind the Independent but its editorial line on economic issues tends to be pretty strongly neoliberal, which puts me off a bit.


That's always been built in to the Indy. When it first came out the Telegraph was in a very bad way, and the idea was that it would go for that Tory old fart readership. As it turned out, the jounalists it hired were mostly fairly left-wing (or at least not right wing). This has tended to produce a paper with a right wing, neoliberal stance in the editorial sections, but with a liberal-left bent on the news pages.

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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
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This has tended to produce a paper with a right wing, neoliberal stance in the editorial sections, but with a liberal-left bent on the news pages.

The Economist is like that, too. The stringers who do all the reporting get to witness the consequences of neoliberal economics and western support for tyrants, and are scathing in their criticism, while the leader-writers carry on preaching the virtues of the market from their air-conditioned office.


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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:18 pm 
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I seem to fit the Guardian reader stereotype:

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Also, right-wingers hate people who aren't like them, so will have a go at their percieved enemies for being vegetarian, liking foreign films or doing the recycling - all things Guardian readers are (I imagine) more likely to do.

Three out of three!

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Exactly, it's like we are all gay, effnic, vegetarian, tree-hugging pacifists.

Three out of five, plus a half for being a bit French and another half because, although I don't exactly hug trees, I don't drive a car either.

I also like Mad Men, although I can't watch the new series because I don't have Sky tv (extra Graun points for that!).

Having said all that, I never buy the Guardian. I read it online, but only a very small portion of it. I think the Books section is excellent, and it's one place where interactivity is actually beneficial — some of the readers' reactions to poems and novels genuinely add to the reading experience. And Books articles are mostly hidden away so they don't attract the I-have-obscurer-tastes-than-thou bores that congregate, for instance, on the Music pages. But as others have said, the metropolitan Nathan Barley stuff and the lifestyle section are a turn-off.


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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
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Nick Davies is one of the best investigative journalists in the country which is why I support the Guardian among many other issues. However, they are far from perfect. They seem to have quite the dislike of Noam Chomsky and David Leigh negligently disclosing top secret WikiLeaks’ decryption passwords to hundreds of thousands of unredacted unpublished US diplomatic cables. They supported the war with Iraq.

However, I it's my most read website for news in the UK. I do read New Statesman, Independent, Democracy Now!, Al Jazeera English and some of RT (when it's not conspiracy theories or Moscow propaganda).

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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
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 Post subject: Re: "All lefties read the Guardian"
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A phrase you rarely see nowadays is 'Guardianistas' - the left wing terrorisers who actually read the supplements and knot the yogurt. Whilst wearing fishermen's sweaters and Michael Foot donkey jackets.
I miss it. But then I used to smoke Gauloises.


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