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 Post subject: Barbara Ellen
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:28 pm 
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Can't say I've really paid much attention to her articles in the past but I've just had the misfortune of reading this nasty, shrill diatribe.

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I tried to understand, I really did, but it was difficult after reading the latest report on adult children still living at home: almost three million of the UK's 20-34-year-olds: approaching one in three men and one in seven women.

I could barely suppress the urge to grab someone, perhaps not the 20-year-olds, but certainly the thirtysomethings and scream: "What are you playing at? You get one life and you're living it in your parents' house, as a strangely tall child, presumably with secondary sexual characteristics. Whatever it takes, whatever it costs, however much your standard of living falls, you must save yourself and leave. At once!"

But then I'm funny like that. I've always believed that people should have one of those things that start with a birth, end with a death and have lots of stuff going on in the middle. You know, a life.


So rather than direct her ire at the pernicious influence of grasping BTL landlords and the total dereliction of central and local government's duty to ensure the sufficient supply of decent affordable housing, Babs decides to stick the boot into those already on the receiving end of the complete failure of housing policy.

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Studies such as this always amaze me. Not because I'm nasty or stupid. I know about high rents, low wages, no wages, exploitative landlords, travel costs, dangerous areas, debts, student or otherwise, and the housing ladder. I also understand that, in different cultures, adults live at home before marriage. But come on. For Britons, if you've always been healthy but you're still living with your folks in your late-20s, never mind mid-30s, something has gone wrong.


Glad we agree. Perhaps we could build more genuinely affordable social housing or campaign for rent controls and living wages?

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And no amount of defensive yammering about high rents is going to change that.


Ah. Maybe we don't agree then.

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There's an argument that older generations have screwed over the young and I sympathise. Certainly, I find it repulsive that generations who went to university for free got away with imposing crippling fees on the young. After that, my sympathy wanes a tad. "All they could afford would be dumps." So what? I spent much of my youth in dumps.

"They can't get on to the property ladder?" Boo-hoo. Most young people in previous "luckier" generations weren't anywhere near the property ladder. "The cost of living… blah, blah." Again, so what? When are young people going to realise that roughing it and feeling permanently broke when you're starting out has always been with us. It's not some ghastly new concept exclusively devised to torture the youth of 2012.


And so on. What a needlessly cunty, judgmental upper middle-class whinge. Barbara seems to be labouring under the misapprehension that there's been some sort of mass outbreak of mollycoddling over the last 30 years, but makes absolutely no effort to look at the underlying factors (wage repression, landlordism, insufficient housing supply driving up prices and rents, Grant Shapps) that might be leaving so many twenty and thirtysomethings stranded at home. This is just reactionary bollocks. Perhaps she's trying to be funny, but I don't detect a trace of irony here.

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 Post subject: Re: Barbara Ellen
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:56 pm 
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She's an ex-pop journo.

All of them who've made it into newspapers, apart from John Harris and David Stubbs, are dreadful.


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 Post subject: Re: Barbara Ellen
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:16 pm 
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It appears she's got form for this sort of shite.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... bara-ellen

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 Post subject: Re: Barbara Ellen
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:28 am 
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From my own observations...

* There is far too much made these days of the "property ladder" which is one of the best definitions of unearned income, rather than the idea of a house as a home to live in, not profit from.

* There is too much hypocrisy from such people who play the property ladder game and yet make a defence on holding on to their family home until either death or they need to go to a nursing home. The sentimentality of home ownership for a family "base" is one I fully understand, but you can't have it both ways.

*Too much is made of renting a property being "dead" money; paying rent on a property is paying money for a service, in this case, somewhere to live. There are certain advantages to renting rather than taking out a mortgage e.g. your job forces you to move about regularly. Buying only starts to make better sense when you see yourself as being settled. And the "dead" money play on rent is definitely no worse than having a mortgage which is in negative equity.

* It is only post WW2 in Britain that it has been the case that it has became increasingly common for single people beyond their teenage years to be expected to "leave the nest" after their teenage years unless they got married. In fact it wasn't uncommon to see two married couples live under the one roof. This is still the case in many parts of Europe.

* High property prices affect spending power elsewhere. It stands that if people have to put more money aside for paying the rent or for a mortgage, they will have less money to spend on other things like consumer goods which could help stimulate the economy. This only benefits a small amount of people, in particular those who successfully play the "property ladder", land owners, developers and to a certain extend local and central government through stamp duty and council tax.

* The survey last week revealing N. Ireland as the part of the UK with the biggest percentage of 20-35 year olds still living with their parents (over 35%) is of no surprise to myself - my experience is that at least up until their late 20's most people here (especially outside Belfast) will still live at home unless they are either a third-level student, are working a significant distance away from their family home (e.g. are working in Belfast but are originally from Enniskillen, Omagh or Strabane where commuting to work takes a long time so rent a flat in Belfast with some friends or others they know), or are getting married or co-habiting usually prior to getting married. High property prices here around the time of the Celtic Tiger's property boom didn't do anything to help - at one time N. Ireland had the highest average sale price for a flat in the UK outside of London despite wages not keeping up; even though it's slumped a fair bit there's still a bit to go before prices start reaching the level of 3-4.5 times of the average salary. Maybe there's less of a stigma attached to living at home in young adulthood here compared to over in Britain?

tl;dr version - high property prices stifle other economic output, differences on young adults still living with parents depend on various factors from financial to cultural and differing social attitudes over the decades, and that too many in Britain are obsessed with the place they live in being some sort of a liquid asset rather than a home.

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 Post subject: Re: Barbara Ellen
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:53 am 
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She's the Guardian's Littlejohn. Her article lambasting new fathers for having the cheek to suffer depression was a disgrace.


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