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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:21 pm 
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I did mean Gerard Butler, actually. Not sure who Gerard Murphy is.

Gerard Butler is, like Paolo Nutini, Fulton MacKay, John Byrne and myself from the town of Paisley.

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Do they consider Michael Caine posh, you think?

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A rambling, smug and frankly chauvinistic piece purportedly about Jack Straw from Michael White.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog ... john-smith

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Cook is long dead and I will resist rehearsing my still-held doubts about his approach to politics, though whenever I walk through a deserted House of Commons at eight o'clock at night I think of Robin's ardent commitment to "family friendly" hours with a wry smile.

Our last proper conversation was on the morning of the 7/7 bombings when we found ourselves walking across St James's Park towards Westminster after the tube system shut down. He said it would help if there were Muslim members of the G8 group of advanced industrial states. I replied that it would help if they did not cripple their own economies by backward cultural attitudes, to women for example.


Amazing. If only those Muslims were a bit nicer to their womenfolk, then they'd be neoliberal like us. It would also probably help, though, if Britain and America didn't keep bombing Muslim countries back to the stone age or installing/propping up those ultra-repressive dictatorships that are willing to subordinate themselves to Western capital.

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Would he have done it again if he had known the intelligence on WMD was defective and the postwar occupation would be a shambles? No, but life is understood backwards while being lived forwards, he notes. Most informed people believed the WMD data at the time. For all its current troubles Iraq is a better place today.


Er, did they? From my recollection pretty much everyone knew deep down that the Campbell dossier was a sham, as it subsequently proved to be, and there were a lot of people who weren't afraid to say so at the time. There weren't one million plus on the streets for the Stop the War demo for nothing. Also, with semi-regular bombings still ongoing and renewed talk of death squads (not least in, er, the Guardian) I'd be very wary of declaring the Iraq 'reconstruction' any sort of success.

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I did mean Gerard Butler, actually. Not sure who Gerard Murphy is.

Gerard Butler is, like Paolo Nutini, Fulton MacKay, John Byrne and myself from the town of Paisley.


And Momus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momus_(musician)


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Abernathy wrote:
I did mean Gerard Butler, actually. Not sure who Gerard Murphy is.

Gerard Butler is, like Paolo Nutini, Fulton MacKay, John Byrne and myself from the town of Paisley.


And Momus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momus_(musician)


And Andrew Neil. Ouch.

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
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I did mean Gerard Butler, actually. Not sure who Gerard Murphy is.

Gerard Butler is, like Paolo Nutini, Fulton MacKay, John Byrne and myself from the town of Paisley.


And Momus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momus_(musician)


And Andrew Neil. Ouch.


He did use his influence with his pal, M Thatcher, to stop his (and my) old school from getting closed down. It's the one vaguely positive thingI can think about with respect to Neill.

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It appears they've been sniffing extra-strength glue at Grauniad Towers recently. Just been reading this drivel from Deborah Orr:

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To win a vote of no confidence against this "incompetent, out-of-touch, U-turning, make-it-up-as-you-go-along, miserable shower", the Labour leadership would obviously have to throw a lifeline to the Liberal Democrats. This would be anathema to many tribal Labour members and supporters, who now hate the Lib Dems more than they do the Tories.

But this is not sensible. It leaves the Lib Dems with no alternative but to cling to the Conservatives, unable to exercise any ameliorative influence at all, because they are trapped, and the Tories know it. The Conservatives have no need to appease the Lib Dems any longer. They understand perfectly well that without help from Labour, the Lib Dems can only bring down the coalition in a blazing act of annihilating martyrdom. And they know that Labour are not going to provide that help.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -appalling

That's right, it's Labour's fault the Fibs are propping up a shower of vindictive toff cunts. The Liberals have no desire to break away from the Tories because politically they're on the same page. It's no coincidence that liberal parties across Europe almost always end up in coalition with conservatives. And then there's this:

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Across the political spectrum, one thing is agreed: Michael Gove is a nice guy.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012 ... ory-leader

Er, not on my part of the political spectrum it's not. He's a cunt. Best of all is this from Policy Exchange clown Neil O'Brien:

The Conservatives can be the new workers' party

Not read Britannia Unchained, have you Neil?

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I read Deborah Orr's piece and was at first intrigued at what seemed to be an interesting suggestion. But what Deborah forgets is that the Lib Dems aren't interested in talking to Labour on that basis at all. They weren't when the coalition agreement was made, and they aren't any more interested now. Remember Laws, instead of treating Liam Byrne's note as the private joke it was intended to be, publicising it deliberately in order to use it as a stick to beat Labour with and begin the whole "mess Labour left us" extended lie that the coalition kept propagating throughout the next two years, and keep doing so even still. Laws is now back in the government from his expenses disgrace. Does that really suggest that the Lib Dems would be interested in the kind of approach from Labour that Deborah suggests? Of course not.

Orr suggests that the Lib Dems would be interested in an offer from Labour now on the basis that they have nothing more to gain from the coalition. But again, Laws has been making plans, one must assume with Clegg's approval, to continue the alliance with the Tories after 2015.

The notion is, when one considers it properly, absolutely risible. I do get Deborah's point about it being an urgent imperative to get these bastards out asap, but as we say in the home country, you can only pish with the cock you've got, and the fixed term parliament system, a Lib Dem party exceptionally hostile to Labour and exceptionally fond of the Tories, and an imperative to ensure that Labour secures its own governing majority is the reality, what we are stuck with.

Deborah's suggestion is, I'm afraid, completely unworkable, if well-intentioned.

Tangentially, can I be the only one who is getting totally pissed off with the general assumption that the next GE will deliver another hung parliament and therefore another bloody coalition? In fact, it's fairly unlikely - hung parliaments are hardly ever delivered by UK elections. On the basis of what this particular hung parliament has delivered to the country, I hope and pray that we do not get another.

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Historically governments always lose support whilst in office. Even if they win a second term it's with a reduced majority. Now in the case of the Tories in the eighties or Labour in the noughties they had substantial majorities to lose. Cameron didn't even have a majority to start with and his crutch is going to evaporate. Where are the votes going to come from that will force Labour into a coalition?

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I don't have a problem so much with Lib Dem social democrats/social liberals, but their position within their own party is incredibly weak - that party isn't going to be reclaimed for the left any time soon. Their conference was ample proof that the Orange Bookers still have that party by the balls and they have no reason to break with a Tory party whose ideology they largely share. There would have to be major changes at the Lib Dem top table before I could support a Labour-led coalition with them. The idea of Laws, Alexander and Clegg still being in government after the next election fills me with dread, to be honest. I wouldn't particularly want Cable in there either but he's pretty much nailed on to succeed Clegg come what may. What also concerns me is that a Lib-Lab coalition may play into the hands of the Blairites by bringing their old SDP mates back into the fold. It wasn't so long ago that Tim Fallon was openly trying to court Progress, after all.

I am amazed though that they seem so blase about their local election results over the last couple of years - they point to a catastrophic collapse in Lib Dem support (as does the rapid decline in their membership) but most of the party seems to be in deep denial.

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Prexactly. The Lib Dems are in meltdown, and face annihilation at the next election. As voting trends stand, things look very much like a Labour majority government is seriously on the cards. They won't be in possession of the balance of power after the next election, and we need to start recognising this instead of going along with the bonkers assumption that there will be another hung parliament with the Lib Dems as power brokers.

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The right wing of the LibDems are winning by default.
At least if my experience is anything to go by.
All the self confessed LibDdems that I knew left the party soon after that Tuition Fees business.


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I imagine that the Orange bookers will end up in the Tories (one way or another) and the real LibDems will be left to pick up the pieces.

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Historically governments always lose support whilst in office. Even if they win a second term it's with a reduced majority.


Only exception being 1983 that I can think of, and that election had a pretty unique set of circumstances around it, Falklands bounce and all.

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There's 1955 (and 1959), too.

In the re-runs of 1966 and 1974 the voters gave minority Labour administrations a small boost and a chance to govern alone. This is what Cameron's advisers will be hoping for.

In the case of a hung parliament, could Labour do a deal with the SNP rather than the Liberals? A vote on independence would no longer be an obstacle, assuming that Salmond's 2014 referendum goes ahead (and is rejected).


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