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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:47 pm 
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As wanabeyankee (a c***s username if ever there was one) clearly seems to think all the 85% are practicing christians, what percentage do followers of other religions bring this total figure up to? 130, maybe 140%. Because there simply can't be that many christians in the UK, if there where church attendance figures would reflect that.


The problem is, those who claim to follow Christian "values" without actually bothering to ever read the Bible (especially the inconvenient bits about loving your neighbour) or go to church. Hence the push at the last census to encourage people who didn't practice religion of any variety to say so.

Not sure if the results of that (or anything else in the census) have been announced yet. I haven't heard anything....


It's not a uniquely British phenomenon to identify with the 'national' faith without actively participating in any religious activities. Notable excamples include the Scandivanian Lutheran churches.


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daveinbrum wrote:
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As wanabeyankee (a c***s username if ever there was one) clearly seems to think all the 85% are practicing christians, what percentage do followers of other religions bring this total figure up to? 130, maybe 140%. Because there simply can't be that many christians in the UK, if there where church attendance figures would reflect that.


The problem is, those who claim to follow Christian "values" without actually bothering to ever read the Bible (especially the inconvenient bits about loving your neighbour) or go to church. Hence the push at the last census to encourage people who didn't practice religion of any variety to say so.

Not sure if the results of that (or anything else in the census) have been announced yet. I haven't heard anything....


It's not a uniquely British phenomenon to identify with the 'national' faith without actively participating in any religious activities. Notable excamples include the Scandivanian Lutheran churches.


I'm sure that's true, but of course it's worse in some countries than others. I'm sure I read that, in a recent census/survey, over half of people in the Netherlands declared themselves as "non-religious".


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daveinbrum wrote:
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As wanabeyankee (a c***s username if ever there was one) clearly seems to think all the 85% are practicing christians, what percentage do followers of other religions bring this total figure up to? 130, maybe 140%. Because there simply can't be that many christians in the UK, if there where church attendance figures would reflect that.


The problem is, those who claim to follow Christian "values" without actually bothering to ever read the Bible (especially the inconvenient bits about loving your neighbour) or go to church. Hence the push at the last census to encourage people who didn't practice religion of any variety to say so.

Not sure if the results of that (or anything else in the census) have been announced yet. I haven't heard anything....


AFAIK the aggregated data from the census will be avalanche around June/July 2012.
Unfortunately, as I've mentioned elsewhere on this forum the ONS didn't follow their own best, published, practice on the religion question, which shod be to ask a question about religious identity followed by one about religious observance. The census only had the question on identity so there will be no measure of how many in the population are actually active Christians, vs how many simply identify themselves as been Christian.

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Some of the comments on this story are awful...
Archbishop warns against hostility to young people
Mostly "drown all young people at birth" with the odd "sterilise non-whites" thrown in. I hope the tabloids are proud of what they've done to this country :evil:

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Some of the comments on this story are awful...
Archbishop warns against hostility to young people
Mostly "drown all young people at birth" with the odd "sterilise non-whites" thrown in. I hope the tabloids are proud of what they've done to this country :evil:


Of course. They have remade it in their own image.


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This article seems to've brought a particularly odious specimen out of the woodwork:

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@20. Sarahbagshaw - the sole purpose of the sixth form trips to Auschwitz is to mentally beat another generation into submission so that they don't resist mass immigration in the UK. Call it an emotional cosh.

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Just who are men's rights activists?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17907534
Lots of "what about teh menz?" comments straight out of the Mail at the bottom...

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Because of course men who want to campaign on issues which affect them are worthy only of ridicule.

The irony being if the gender roles in your post were reversed you'd be hounded for sexism, and rightly so.

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The irony being if the gender roles in your post were reversed you'd be hounded for sexism, and rightly so.

I don't see that at all. Have you read the comments hel is referring to? Many are straight out of the Mail, viz:

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I can't believe that after all these years people are still banging on about feminism as though it still had any relevance! Feminism was a passing Californian fad that has withered on the vine as the political landscape evolved into an equal and balanced society. If discrimination still exists it is against the male.

Off topic, reeking of privilege and complacency, unsupported by evidence, and passive-aggressive. Pure Mailite.

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Because of course men who want to campaign on issues which affect them are worthy only of ridicule.

Again, I don't get that from hel's post. There are plenty of men campaigning against gender and sexuality stereotyping, for better access to support services, and on male-specific issues such as testicular cancer and tackling gangs. Nobody is ridiculing them. MRAs are different: they have an explicitly anti-women agenda; they blame feminism for all the (perceived) ills that affect them. They can be spotted by their reliance on conspiracy theory or biological essentialism ("men and women are different, they should be complementary not equal," etc). They believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that not only are the odds in our society stacked against men, but that this fact is hushed up by a cabal of misandrist feminists and wet judges and pinko BBC journalists. Thus their mission is to reveal The Unspoken Truth by derailing any discussion of gender-based inequality into "what about teh menz". It's petulant and tiresome. And, frankly, ridiculous.


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And of course that kind of stuff never happens the other way round. No sir...

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A good ten years on, it seems large parts of the mainstream internet will always be dominated by these one track bigots. Do they never get bored of the same old "boot 'em out/hang 'em/kick 'em off benefits" routine? Zzz
Why can't these people find more in their lives, and break out of the tabloid mind-f*ck they've fallen victim to? ;_;

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Because of course men who want to campaign on issues which affect them are worthy only of ridicule.

I'm certainly not saying that, I'm just saying I have an issue with the comments that blame women and feminism for all the world's problems (if someone blamed men for everything I'd take issue with that too).

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Viewpoint: Is it time to get rid of traffic lights?

I thought this was going to be some sort of Clarkson-type diatribe against traffic lights, but it actually seems a fairly well thought out and studied idea. Whilst I'm not convinced that implementing his idea across the board wouldn't result in chaos and death, it's probably at least worth investigating if some road layouts might benefit from looking at them in this way.

Anyway, the nutters are camped out on the woodwork as usual for HYS...
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Wev'e done away with red telephone phone boxes and bendy buses, what next? I cant help but feel this is less about traffic and more about the slow europiasation of england.

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Roice,

I couldn't agree with you more. It's elf and safety gone mad! Next thing you know they will be letting 10 year olds drive and drop the need for Visa's for non EU!!


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We should remove all traffic lights, 90% of road markings, speed humps, chicanes and restricted parking markings. I grew up in the country and we never needed any of them. Are city drivers really so much worse than us bumpkins?


#433 needs to think about that one a bit more, but I particularly like #426... if anything surely traffic lights are more "elf and safety" than the removal of them??

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Yes, so the removal of them would indeed be elf 'n' safety 'gone mad'. In that it would be in exact opposition to the broad principles of health and safety legislation.

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