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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:03 pm 
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To forestall leaks? To inform a concerned public and prevent speculation?

Which are all arguments for not announcing she was missing in the first place but I don't see how finding a body changes that.


Because everything changes, and that will be noticed. When the SOCOs rock up and start erecting tents, taking away evidence bags and so on people may start to talk.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
oboogie wrote:
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To forestall leaks? To inform a concerned public and prevent speculation?

Which are all arguments for not announcing she was missing in the first place but I don't see how finding a body changes that.


Because everything changes, and that will be noticed. When the SOCOs rock up and start erecting tents, taking away evidence bags and so on people may start to talk.

Right so that's the real reason is it, that they are simply unable to contain it even if they wanted to?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:09 pm 
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The spokesman from the Met said that the house had been full searched four times, and no body was found. He was implying pretty clearly that the body had been stored elsewhere and then moved into the house, in the last 24 hours or so, which also fits in with a Sky journo's account of being in the house but not being allowed to go upstairs, where there were people moving about.

Sorry, I don't buy that. The house had been getting a lot of attention for the past few days. From police, media, and neighbours. How would it have been possible? And what possible motive for taking such a risk?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
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You forgot living off benefits.

Granny is a carer working nights and Hazell is a painter and decorator. Don't know about the mother's financial circumstances but I'll know exactly where to look for that particular nugget of information that will serve no other purpose than to start another round of mailtard blame-storming.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:11 pm 
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Arnold wrote:
Sorry, I don't buy that. The house had been getting a lot of attention for the past few days. From police, media, and neighbours. How would it have been possible? And what possible motive for taking such a risk?


I'm sorry you don't buy it, but please stop assuming I'm a Met spokesman or can answer questions of what goes on in other people's minds.
There were reports of a lot of night-time activity at the back of the house. The following morning the police went in and almost immediately found a body. Which part don't you get?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
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Arnold wrote:
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The spokesman from the Met said that the house had been full searched four times, and no body was found. He was implying pretty clearly that the body had been stored elsewhere and then moved into the house, in the last 24 hours or so, which also fits in with a Sky journo's account of being in the house but not being allowed to go upstairs, where there were people moving about.

Sorry, I don't buy that. The house had been getting a lot of attention for the past few days. From police, media, and neighbours. How would it have been possible? And what possible motive for taking such a risk?


What don't you buy, Arnie?

Another question might be what the fuck was a Sly News hack doing trampling round the scene of an active investigation?

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You forgot living off benefits.

Granny is a carer working nights and Hazell is a painter and decorator. Don't know about the mother's financial circumstances but I'll know exactly where to look for that particular nugget of information that will serve no other purpose than to start another round of mailtard blame-storming.


New Addington in general has a high rate of benefit claimants and 'problems' - but these tend to be concentrated in certain areas. According to Mrs A, who used to do student teacher assessment visits to the local school, this is likely one of them. She describes it as an inward-looking warren in which people's problems feed off of each other and unconventional relationships are common. To quote, it is 'hemmed in' and claustrophobic.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
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Another question might be what the fuck was a Sly News hack doing trampling round the scene of an active investigation?


From what I gather he doorstepped the family and they let him in for a notebook-only interview. The timing isn't completely clear, but it was last night or possibly the night before - I think last night, as it was said to be the last time that Hazell was seen around the house. Presumably he had it away soon after.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
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Right so that's the real reason is it, that they are simply unable to contain it even if they wanted to?


Of course. Plus respect for the bereaved, some of whom may not have been involved.

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The lack of any comprehensible motive (to me). If I had a corpse to dispose of, I wouldn't take it home and hide it. Not in those circumstances.

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Yes. I was conscious from the start that this is the Armsteen Hood and I doubt that Mrs A is too wide of the mark.

Even more reason to presume that this will be Nuliebore, Non-PLU cuntfest of attempts to remove poverty, social stagnation and exclusion from the context once an arrest has been made and after any potential trial.

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Arnold. You're not a murderer, career criminal, impulsive moron or desperate.

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Yes. I was conscious from the start that this is the Armsteen Hood and I doubt that Mrs A is too wide of the mark.

Even more reason to presume that this will be Nuliebore, Non-PLU cuntfest of attempts to remove poverty, social stagnation and exclusion from the context once an arrest has been made and after any potential trial.


Quite.
It's not totally bad, both she and I have good friends living there. Croydon tend to dump their problems there, though. Like the Roundshaw and Ashburton estates, both of which we know well. More like Staggs Lane in Roehampton, if anybody knows that.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
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Arnold. You're not a murderer, career criminal, impulsive moron or desperate.

Took the words out of my mouth.

Ah Mr Wilsod - glad to see you've kept with pipe theme. You are a pipe smoker. Ironically.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & the Police
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Arnold. You're not a murderer, career criminal, impulsive moron or desperate.

True, but I see only two possibilities.
A) The body had been in the house for a week.
It had been removed and taken back.
My money is on (A)

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