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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:00 pm 
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The question is: why wern't trained police officers sent to the scene in the first place instead of sending untrained support officers? Im not having a go at the PCSO's, they were put in a difficult situation, but someone somewhere has fucked up big time here and it just gives added fuel for the Mail's anti police agender.


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i dunno if they were sent per se, they just may ahve been in the area


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The question is: why wern't trained police officers sent to the scene in the first place instead of sending untrained support officers? Im not having a go at the PCSO's, they were put in a difficult situation, but someone somewhere has fucked up big time here and it just gives added fuel for the Mail's anti police agender.
Someone should be sacked, the person who sent untrained PCSO's to the scene of an accident.

Maybe they were closer.. or whoever made the 999 call didn't explain what had happened properly and it seemed like a PSCO job.


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good youtube video on pcso's. the music is a little cheesy but the message is clear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNdqaEa7g2U


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It has been a few days without a pop at the Police.

Now even calls to police stations are set to be answered in Indian call centres

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770


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Unions have expressed concerns about the pan.


What Peter or frying ?

If your going to print non-stories like this at least proof read them, wankers :x


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It's NOW and EVEN, must be serious.

Seems like a reasonable idea to me, they get to save money and it's only for "routine calls" (not 999) anyway.

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With about 35 regional accents in UK and 140 in India, people will hang up in the frustration of neither party understanding the other.


Or is that the idea?

- Bob Deeney, Nuneaton

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They won't be able to understand a word we're saying and vice versa... this whole country's sinking fast!

- Pat Sweeney, Lanark


Yes, in some cases. No in others.
I once spoke to a lovely woman at Microsoft India, understood her perfectly.
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This has got to be the last laugh that the police service is having at the public's expense.

- Peter, Huddersfield

I'm sure the Mail.. er police will think of another one, just for you Peter.

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Great, let's hope they have a better grasp of the English Language than most Indian Call Centres.

Seconds can cost lives - who will be to blame if a communication breakdown between the person needing help and the person answering the call.

- James, Wiltshire

999 calls are unaffected. If you're in a life threatening position why are you ringing your local station. duh.


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It's an unfair cop Guv.

Businessman arrested and held for EIGHT hours - for telling litter lout to pick up his rubbish

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770


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To be fair, this is pretty bloody stupid of the cops, how can they expect to gain the respect of the pubic when so many of them seem to be such jobsworths :?


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It can be viewed from both sides.

Yeah it's stupid in principle. The guy saw a kid drop litter and wanted to do something about it. Good on him.
But then he grabbed the kid, presumably to stop him moving away. I don't really know what else he could have done, but if you allow people to go around grabbing whoever they choose because "I saw them doing.." then people like Mad Albert will start grabbing whoever he likes and using any excuse. At least, I think that's why they arrested him.

The last paragraph seems a bit odd to me, a bit fragmented:
Inspector Colin Michie said: "The action of taking hold of a person, be it physically by a part of their body or by their clothing can be construed as a common assault."

Now either the inspector had nothing else to add, or he said something before or after that that might be relevant. Maybe the businessman was being threatening.

Or maybe the police just overdid it. I think I'd like to know exactly what happened from witnesses before I make any judgement.


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Basically touching someone without their consent can be battery (or assault in criminal law). The big qualification is that any kind of touching you'd expect in everyday life doesn't count. So yeah, depending on how he grabbed the boy etc. it could be assault. You can actually sue someone for battery if they dye your hair whilst you're asleep, y'know.


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Name the man, never mind the fact he has never been convicted.

Police crack a 54-year-old cold case... then refuse to name the killer to spare his family pain
By LIZ HULL


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... rtComments


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Re: The post above. I read the inspector's reponse:
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"We made the decision not to approach his family because we would have to speak to people several generations down the line and to drop the news on their doorstep would be most inappropriate because they would not have the opportunity to defend the accusation.

"It would be irresponsible and insensitive and nothing would be gained by it."

I kinda agree.
If my great great great relative was a murderer then yes I think it might be appropriate to know, but at the same time there's not really any practical gain from it.

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- Andrew, Olney, UK

You can't maintain a democracy and fairness by making exceptions on people who cannot defend themselves.


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Come on reveal the name, stop wasting public money.

- Rrs, suffolk

How does staying quiet and not driving round to the criminal's relatives' waste money?


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The CCTV sham: 8 out of 10 cameras don't help police fight crime - and trap motorists instead

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Closed-circuit TV cameras supposed to catch violent thugs have been trained on roads instead - to trap and fine motorists who stray into bus lanes.

"Stray"? Either you drive into it, or if you "stray" then you obviously can't control your car and so get off the road!

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A Home Office study of Britain's 4.2million CCTV cameras also revealed they are not proving much help to the police in collaring criminals.

The home office are dirty lying bastards! But ooh a report we can use.

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More than eight out of ten of the cameras - the UK has the largest number in the world - do not provide satisfactory images for officers to use.

In many cases, a suspect can be recognised only if police already know who they are.

Firstly, what's "more than"?
Secondly, what does "in many cases" mean. Give us some numbers, how many images did they pick out last year, how many were useful (as in perhaps crap but recognised) and how many were just plain crap.


To be honest I did read a similar story on either inq or reg so I believe it's probably true (with some Mail spin of course).
Without reading the report I wouldn't like to comment, though it does sound bad.

Anywho..

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Paul Smith, founder of drivers' pressure group SafeSpeed, said: "Drivers will be infuriated. We are seeing local authorities with stretched budgets profiting from these cameras by fining drivers.

"They are often very minor offences with little to do with safety. This is about raising revenues and nothing to do with combating crime."

Drivers who don't break the law need not be infuriated.

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Phil Booth, of the NO2ID civil liberties campaign, said: "This is both a farce and a national scandal. The cameras are delivering no meaningful results for the safety of the average citizen. It seems more like a snooper's charter to spy on the motorist, while the criminal gets away with it."

Well how do we know that? All the Mail has banged on about so far is how there's a lot of them, most are useless and that the motorist is unfairly picked on. There are no figures as to the good cameras have done. In fact, there's almost no text to that effect either. Unless we are to seriously believe that all 4 million cameras are totally useless and not one of them has produced a result, there will be some figures. So where are they Dacre??

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Other damning findings of the report, the National CCTV Strategy, include the fact that many cameras in public places such as shopping centres and transport hubs are designed to "monitor crowds, slips, trips and falls" rather than detect crime.

Cos we all know that crime never happens in shopping centres or transport hubs. They can however answer a question of "did she slip or did someone push her", for example. Perhaps not an ideal use of money I agree, but they do have uses.

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The report added that CCTV played a crucial role in the investigation into the July 7 suicide bombings, but went on: "The majority of cameras have not been placed in positions which may be required for the prevention and detection of serious and organised crime and counter-terrorism."

Wait I'm confused, I thought they were absolutely everywhere.


I can't really be arsed to pull apart all the comments, I'll just pick this one:


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Wow, imagine that. What CAN they be for then?

- Suraci, Exeter, UK

Watching you have sex

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Still banging on about the Community Police and the boy who drowned

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Don't know if it's been done before on this , but the publishing of two fuck off sized pictures with names looks a lot to me like some call for the villagers to emerge with pitchforks and flaming tar torches . Not content with continuing with the wrong facts , it seems they are intent on causing more mayhem . Evil viscous twats.


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