Scotland bashing

Fingal · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:23 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084448/Scottish-independence-David-Cameron-dictate-vote-storms-Alex-Salmond.html

I see they're still making reference to having the referendum to coincide with the anniversary of Bannockburn despite the fact that the SNP have avoided that kind of rhetoric and appeals to shortbread thinking for years.

Unlike Tony Blair & Donald Dewar, who held the devolution referendum on the 700th anniversary of the Battle of Stirling Bridge.

Paul · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:00 pm

The irresistible case for England and Scotland remaining united

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... nited.html

Daily Mail Leader.

This doesn't have anything to do with someone having a retirement property in Scotland does it?

oboogie · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:07 pm

Fingal wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084448/Scottish-independence-David-Cameron-dictate-vote-storms-Alex-Salmond.html

I see they're still making reference to having the referendum to coincide with the anniversary of Bannockburn despite the fact that the SNP have avoided that kind of rhetoric and appeals to shortbread thinking for years.

Salmond specifically ruled that out in an interview on Ch4 news last night.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:08 pm

Retirement property? It's a bleedin' castle!

Quote:

Dacre's acres

Then again, maybe those with unusually refined powers of empathy can bridge the financial gulf between themselves and their audience. Mannerly Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre has bought himself a majestic 15,000-acre estate near Ullapool in the Scottish Highlands, the £3.5m he spent likely to be offset nicely by the income it generates (£1.65m last year). Somehow, you suspect, Paul's uncanny insight into what makes the middle English so fearfully angry about pretty much everything will not be threatened by his long overdue accession to the status of laird.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media ... 90648.html

Paul · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:56 pm

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

Retirement property? It's a bleedin' castle!

Quote:

Dacre's acres

Then again, maybe those with unusually refined powers of empathy can bridge the financial gulf between themselves and their audience. Mannerly Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre has bought himself a majestic 15,000-acre estate near Ullapool in the Scottish Highlands, the £3.5m he spent likely to be offset nicely by the income it generates (£1.65m last year). Somehow, you suspect, Paul's uncanny insight into what makes the middle English so fearfully angry about pretty much everything will not be threatened by his long overdue accession to the status of laird.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media ... 90648.html

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This doesn't have anything to do with someone having a retirement property in Scotland does it?

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Fingal · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:02 pm

Paul wrote:

The irresistible case for England and Scotland remaining united

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... nited.html

Daily Mail Leader.

This doesn't have anything to do with someone having a retirement property in Scotland does it?

It staggers belief they can lie like this:

Quote:

Crucially, how will it cope without the estimated £10billion-a-year subsidy it receives from the English taxpayer – money Mr Salmond uses to fund free care for the elderly and waive tuition fees?

Indeed, experts say that even if all North Sea oil and gas revenues had been allocated to Scotland, the country would still have run a deficit for the past 18 years.

The whole bloody country has a massive deficit, if £10 billion is all Scotland has then its clearly paying more than its share. And the old "experts say" line without any qualification whatsoever or reference is usually a cast iron sign of utter tosh.

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:40 pm

Did North Sea Oil come on stream 18 years ago?

I like Ullapool. Just been ruined for me, I see.

Fingal · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:06 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

Did North Sea Oil come on stream 18 years ago?

I like Ullapool. Just been ruined for me, I see.

I suspect the 18 years is a number pulled at random!

You have the right to roam freely in Scotland, so if you know where anyone's land is you can go a nice long walk and piss in their water supply. Completly against the spirit of the access laws, but never mind :lol:

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:30 pm

I can't drive, so I do well to get to Ullapool at all, let alone to Dacre's house.

How did the SNP go from having 11 seats in Oct 1974 to 2 in 1979, just as the oil was coming on stream?

Fingal · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:46 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

I can't drive, so I do well to get to Ullapool at all, let alone to Dacre's house.

How did the SNP go from having 11 seats in Oct 1974 to 2 in 1979, just as the oil was coming on stream?

No idea, before my time! They did have some strange members back then, I sometimes see parallels to UKIP in the SNP's early days.

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:52 pm

Tartan Tories?

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:54 pm

Anyway, welcome!

Fingal · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:11 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

Tartan Tories?

Just not the most sensible - with the cause not accepted by the mainstream of politics the sort of people who took up the cause were a little "unusual". A bit like UKIP really, which has a reasonable enough idea, but just attracts an utterly bonkers and useless bunch of people.

Fingal · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:13 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

Anyway, welcome!

Thank you

FZ750 · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:42 pm

I'm personally intrested in how the Mail will react to the fact that if Scotland becomes independant - personaly I believe the practicalities of separation will make it impossible - to England no longer being a nuclear power.

With Trident based in Scotland (Clyde) will it make it the smallest nuclear power in the world ?

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