The Mail & Muslims

ponce on the heath · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:26 pm

Gourami wrote:

You wouldn't say your child was a Tory or a Marxist, so can this child really be a Muslim? He can be the child of Muslim parents, which is not the same.

I don't see a person who has made an informed and thought through choice about his belief system, I see a little boy who wants to make the adults happy and has been told to hold this sign.

I guess it depends on whether they identify themselves as one. Not really on the same level as the kids waiving "God Hates Fags" banners though is it? Islamophobes don't throw Coming of Age parties for the targets of their hate. Was a picture for the benefit of Mrs Balance, not a thesis :wink:

oboogie · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:31 pm

Straight Talker wrote:

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

Ignore it.

I'm an it now am I? That's not very tolerant and understanding of you.

It's quite true that I don't understand Trolls. Meanwhile you have yet to say anything to indicate if you are worth tolerating. So you are an 'it' for the time being at least.

(or Mrs Balance.

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bluebellnutter · **Posted:** Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:25 am

It seems "Straight Talker" has fallen into the classic trap of "People who don't condemn Islam loudly and often are de facto supporters of anything a Muslim does ever". A classic line of reasoning (based on the increasingly prevalent thought process of not thinking x means you must think the opposite of x, thus ignoring the shades of grey in the middle, usually because they're too difficult) which is actually demonstrably bollocks.

I despise all religions. That doesn't mean I'm happy for a bunch of Mailtards to go round slagging off another religion on (usually) trumped up reasons. I believe Islam is just another fairy story (as I do with Christianity, Judaism and all the others), that doesn't mean you're ever going to see me wandering down Enfield high street shouting "Allah is a paedo". Because I'm a civilised human being. Unlike most Mailtards.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:42 am

I also despise all religions, or at least the Abrahamics. They are deniers of human wit and intelligence, limiters of aspiration and hope, emasculators of the spirit.
But I don't deny that many do some very good and even admirable things in the name of (and often against the teachings of) their faith.
I have invariably found Muslims to be exactly like everyone else, some great, some not so. The best are intelligent, thoughtful and tolerant. Not all. Just like Christians. Or Jews.

Big Rob · **Posted:** Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:39 am

Straight Talker wrote:

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

The wolves of intolerance are circling, becoming bolder. Whilst Dacre and the tabloids throw them raw meat.

The only 'wolves of intolerance' in this article, in fact most of the articles in this thread, are those who practice militant islam and persecute non muslims.

Well maybe in that article.

Not all muslims persecute non muslims. Some have learned to be hypocrites like christians and the likes of you....

Big Rob · **Posted:** Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:44 am

That said I cannot stand islam and the way it is practiced in many muslim countries.

Death for apostasy? Fuck you..... As well as the other backwards baggage that goes with a backwards ideology (you know like christians really should be like if they read their book)....

I used to spend some time time over at the muslim apostates' site

http://www.faithfreedom.org/

A muslim apostate is one of the most admirable things a person can be IMO.

Also... It should be as open to ridicule as christianity has become without death threats (I am sure there are many muslims who can ignore pics of their prophet but.... you know... the media...)

Finally there is a growing threat from the more radical sections of christianity known as dominionism....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Dominionist

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Rousas John Rushdoony (1916–2001) was the intellectual founder of Christian Reconstructionism, a postmillennial form of theocratic Dominion Theology. Most mainstream Christians reject Rushdoony's views and other forms of Dominion theology as quite radical.[6]
According to Rushdoony and other Reconstructionists including Gary North and Greg Bahnsen, the idea of dominion drawn from Genesis 1:28 implied a theonomy ("rule of the law of God"), which would require all citizens to observe the strict Reconstructionist form of Christianity, and which would punish moral sins ranging from blasphemy to homosexuality with death. Rushdoony wrote that "[m]an is summoned to create the society God requires,"[67] "bringing all things under the dominion of Christ the King."[68] A significant influence on Rushdoony and the theonomists came from Calvinist philosophers and theologians, including the presuppositionalism of Cornelius Van Til (1895–1987), though Van Til himself disavowed any entanglement of his work with political movements.

Gourami · **Joined:** Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:51 pm **Posts:** 2005

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

I also despise all religions, or at least the Abrahamics. They are deniers of human wit and intelligence, limiters of aspiration and hope, emasculators of the spirit.

The rest are equally as guilty.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote:

But I don't deny that many do some very good and even admirable things in the name of (and often against the teachings of) their faith

Broken clock, twice a day, etc.

Dacre Bleugh · **Joined:** Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:28 pm **Posts:** 470

Four U.S. Marines in sniper team to be charged 'within hours' over video showing them urinating on dead Afghan bodies

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... hours.html

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Beheadings, Stoning people to death while half buried in the ground, Blowing innocent people to bits,whether its in buses,coming out of prayers or just in the street, to leave blood and gore everywhere, wife beatings, etc etc etc. Lets get some priorities right here. Insensitive yes, but I think we know who the animals and the depraved individuals are.

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I can't believe how many people making comments on here condone this behaviour. It's disgusting and I hope these deplorable specimens are brought to justice. This kind of behaviour is NEVER justifiable from any race.

*SMH*

Big Rob · **Posted:** Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:51 pm

Believe me... that behavior is being taken very seriously over here by the Pentagon.

For a start, why would you give such absolute fucking morons guns?

As for Mail readers giving the green light.... well whoulda thunk...

ponce on the heath · **Posted:** Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:03 am

Big Rob wrote:

Believe me... that behavior is being taken very seriously over here by the Pentagon.

Hearts and Minds? A quote from a film springs to mind, can't remember the title. Something along the lines of
"We shoot them then give them a band aid"

Big Rob wrote:

For a start, why would you give such absolute fucking morons guns?

Because the US forces rely so heavily on people who's alternative is jail, gun pervs, the uneducated, the wave of Islamophobia that makes up its recruitment drives, and so on? Also, for all it's status as the Elite Fighting Force of the world, it does have a habit of throwing reservists into messy situations (although I reckon the the IDF are worse at this).

My .02 from the comfort of my armchair!

Big Rob · **Posted:** Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:14 am

America gives its moron population guns.... so.... fair enough...

However....

These were marines ... So not reservists....

Dacre Bleugh · **Joined:** Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:28 pm **Posts:** 470

Whilst this may be perfect wank material for EDLers once they've got pissed, smoked a spliff, and watched Minder, what's lost on these morons is shit like this is the best recruitment tool "Al Qaeda" could wish for. It only increases the chance of domestic terrorism, as well as puts "our boys" in even more danger.

Esqui · **Posted:** Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:36 pm

As my boss pointed out yesterday, everyone's getting angry over the fact that the soldiers pissed on them, but no-one seems to mind the fact that they just killed them. Obviously, I can see it's not quite as clear cut as that, but in terms of respect for people, I think pissing on someone is marginally more so than killing someone.

lord_kobel · **Posted:** Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:47 pm

Presumably, an argument could be made that they had to be shot. There's no way to make an argument that they had to be pissed on...

Fingal · **Posted:** Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:47 pm

lord_kobel wrote:

Presumably, an argument could be made that they had to be shot. There's no way to make an argument that they had to be pissed on...

Unless one of them was Margaret Thatcher.

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